Find Ancestors

The easiest thing to do is just send me a note with the potential matches eg victim/ relative name and GR member with match then I can send the message to them .

This will give them acces to the tree straight away, they will be in the contacts list and I will send Anna's email address with the message.

Oh drat, and another problem.

People who don't have paid subs can't sent messages, I'm pretty sure -- they can only reply to messages.

If that is the case, this instruction in your model won't work, Victoria:

"Please send a personal message via the thread shown above to the member shown as 'Bethnal Green Tube Disaster 1943' so that you can view the TREE that we have created detailing the victims and relatives that we have been able to identify."

The person contacted will only be able to reply to the message received.

We can inform you, and you can then send them a PM to open the tree, via the match, and they can then reply to you.

I do have another quibble.

I think we should make it clear to the people we contact via GR trees that
**they are welcome to contact the Trust / Anna directly.**

They should not feel that they have to do this via the GR project/people.

I am therefore continuing to add to my outgoing messages, slightly revised from my initial model (and omitted from Victoria's):

-- or, if you prefer, you can contact the Trust directly via its website, or Anna at this email address: ____

We can't expect to control people's contact with the Trust, or expect everyone to divulge personal info to us.


... I'm also wishing the project weren't called Stairway to Heaven, being a good atheist who once again feels kinda excluded in spite of good works. But oh well, we get used to it. ;)

The next step?

I have found a definite match for the child of one of 'my' victims on the 2002-2008 electoral roll. It's the only thing I can find; nothing in trees.

On a boards search, I've found people "nudging" Jean Allen's electoral roll lookup thread (when will people learn to copy and paste URLs???) but I can't find the thread. I know there are a couple of other people with access too.

Can we find 'em and rope 'em into the project?

(I'm trying BT on line, although 192.com doesn't produce a telephone listing for the correct ER location for the name, but BT is down at the moment ...)

... Crap, I'm an idiot. I'd busted my bum finding the marriage and then the child's birth, sent it all to Victoria, and forgotten to search trees for the child. Contacts sent now -- but the Electoral Roll question stands as a possible resource!

Victoria - in future, to avoid pointless intermediating, I will ask that anyone I contact reply to you directly (rather than to me), by doing the tree search for the victim or family member in question.

Now don't be thanking me for my 'help'! I'm doin' it for the Trust and the victims and their families. ;)

Today's updates are in GR

Day
Ellam
Emery
Forbes
Hawley
Hiscoke
Lewis
Loftus
Mathers
Newton
Smith
Stretch
Warrington
Wilson

Only data sent as a PM has been added, if you have posted data to the board that needs to go into the tree please send it to me.

This is me signing off for the day. Thanks for your help Rgds Victoria

PS Pls remember to send me details of any contacts made.

For the Roches - the info in the list is way off from what's at CWGC:

Bessie Roche 42
Eddie Roche 8
Joan Roche 9
Ted Roche 40

vs

ROCHE, EDMUND 39 - husband of Rhoda
ROCHE, EDWARD 7 son of Edmund and Rhoda
ROCHE, JOAN MARY 10 - daughter of Edmund and Rhoda
ROCHE, RHODA 33 - wife of Edmund

The children's names aren't producing good matches in the post-1916 births index at Ancestry, except Joan M, 1932, Newport M, mother Vaughan. Possibly there was a second wife situation.

Jeanette

can you please look at the 2 Taylors, I think they are related to Sarah Newton

Sarah taylor probaly Sarah Newton's mother

TAYLOR, SARAH
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 53
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 27 Wessex Street, Mile End, Stepney. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead

TAYLOR, JAMES WILLIAM
Initials: J W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 13
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Son of Henry and Maud Taylor, of 10 Lansdell Place, Roman Road. in Tube Shelter accident.

IVY HISCOKE

Can't identify her but husband's details PMed to BGTD; no tree matches for him.

Why do I get the good ones? Probably the mother of "Bictor" Hiscoke (yes, mistyped Victor), Bethnal Green 1941, mother Doe ... which could make her Ivy W Dove ...

Found the marriage, 1939; she was Ivy Hook, will look for more details and send to Victoria. She left a child born 1939 ...

I'd love the Tarbucks to be related to Liza and Jimmy then we could get the profile raised for the Memorial Trust!

We can but hope ;-)

Evie - your list with added name of person reseaching victim,

Jessie Asser 33 - found - 2 GR tree owners PMed by Evie

George Baker 38 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Evie
Minnie Baker 14 - "

Emily Berger (Beger, Beager) 57 - possible - GR tree owner PMed by Evie

Elizabeth Bendon 38 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Evie

Irene Bosworth 17
Edith Bosworth 50

Annie Boxer 24

Henry Brooks 10
Jessie Brooks 46

D.M. Chandler 14 - Quoy researching
Lilian Chandler 31 - Quoy researching

Charlotte Chapman 25
George Chapman 23

Doreen Collett 11
Rose Collett 50
Ronald Collett 8

Patricia Court 24

John Day 69 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Annie Dongrey 22 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Rusina Ellam 17 - contact received from GR member via hot matches
Annie Ellam 44 - "
Frances Ellam 20 - "
Pauline Ellam 2 - "

Clara Emery 78 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah & Tracey

Ivy Hewitt 28 (Ewett?) - prob found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Elizabeth Fletcher 28

Leonora Forbes 57 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah
Irene Forbes 17 Deborah researching

Lilian French 29

Carole Geary 5 months - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy
Sylvia Geary 6 - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Joe Hales 53 - no matches in GR trees (Deborah)

Rhoda Hammond 44 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Jeanette

Leonard Hawley 64 Evie researching

Mary Hayman 19

Emily Higginson 62 Evie Reseaching

Mary Hillier 61

Ivy Hiscocke (Hiscoke) 22 Evie Researchiing

Peter Johns 7

Estella Jones age 57

Eliza Korobenic 33 - found - tree owner PMed by Victoria (Mead family)

Martha Land age 56

Anthony Lawson 7
Patricia Lawson 3

Benjamin Leggett 31 Janice researching
Rose Leggett 31 Janice researching
Roy Leggett 7 Janice researching

George Lewis 10 - found - tree owners PMed by Jeanette
Lilie Lewis 14 - "

Louisa Loftus 15 - no matches in GR trees (Deborah)
John Loftus 13 - "

Charles Mason 50

Ruby Mathers 18 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

Eliza Mead 67 - group found - tree owner PMed by Victoria
Florence Mead 35 Found
George Mead Snr 40 Found
Geroge Mead Jr 12 Found
Kenneth Mead 10 Found
Maureen Mead 4 Found

Derek Morris 6 Victoria Reseaching
Florence Morris 30 Victoria researching

Jeffrey Myers 6 Victoria researching
Sophie Myers 41 Victoria Rearching

Doris Newman 9
George Newman 45

Sarah Newton 28 Jeanetter researching

William Nixon 14

Rosina Papworth 27 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Janice

Sarah Poole 54 Deborah researching

Emily Pusey 48 - no matches in GR trees (Janice)
Henry Pusey 50 - "

Joseph Raolinaitis 32 (many spellings) - no results in GR trees (Evie)

George Reynolds 72

Stella Riddell 13 - no matches in GR trees (Jeanette)

Bessie Roche 42 Deborah/Jeanette researching
Eddie Roche 8 Deborah/Jeanette researching
Joan Roche 9 Deborah/Jeanette researching
Ted Roche 40 Deborah/Jeanette researching

William Sears 50 Deborah researching

Dorothy Smith 12 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Deborah

Rose Stretch 39
William Stretch Jnr. 9 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Deborah
William Stretch Snr. 49 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Deborah

George Tarbuck 45 Christine researching
Louisa Tarbuck 44 Christine researching

Sarah Taylor 54 probably Sarah Newton's mother (Jeanette?)
James Taylor 12 (hopefully Jeanette!?!)

Kate Thompson 53

Clara Tilbury 49 - found - PMs sent to 4 tree owners by Jeanette

Irene Trayling 20 Janice researching

Isabella Trice 39 Quoy researching

Maud Vann 23 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Florence Vanner 49 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Doris Warrington 16 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

James Welch 52 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

James Whitehead 69 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Edna Wilson 15 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

LEONARD HAWLEY

Possible tree matches, sending info to Victoria.

edit - too hasty, match not likely

found SARAH NEWTON

info PM'd to Victoria

message to 1 tree owner

Okay - so there's nothing on your list of founds that isn't on the page one list now? Kewl. At the outset there was quite a flurry and we were all reporting our efforts differently, and I wasn't sure whether I'd caught everyone. I think after the early buzz I managed to keep up.

And I spent so much time trying to decipher Emily Berger Beger Beager and Joseph Raolinaitis Raulinajtis Rolynitis (1911) that I got way behind in my own attempts.

I don't want no stinking spreadsheets. ;)

Just keep posting those CAPITAL LETTERS for names that have been done, tree matches found or not.

Re the Meads -- confirmed relationship, Anna.

Kenneth and Maureen have mother Jenkins, George has mother Jenkin (per birth registrations), so they're all children of George Sr.

I think Victoria confirmed relationship with Eliza Mead? Not sure.

Evie if I could edit your list I would. There's no need to look at my second list as it is only an extract from the first.

I am keeping a spreadsheet of all the info, so that we have everything all in one place and can easily be sent to Anna.

I can send it to you if you PM me with your email address.

Cheers

Um, I don't think I'm going to attempt that comparison. I see you have changed the order so women are now listed by birth surname. (I really hate the expression "maiden name".)

Can I go back to just asking? --

PLEASE CHECK THE MASTER LIST ON PAGE ONE

and if there is a name that has been researched that is not shown on that list as done, post here to say whether or not a match has been found in trees and a PM sent to the tree owner.

I will then update the list. Ta.

Hey guys!

I have definate contacts for ROSINA PAPWORTH and FLORENCE VANNER and a "99.9% certain" about RHODA HAMMOND

All through your hard work...we're reaping the benefits. I'll say it again.....YOU'RE BLOOMIN MARVELLOUS!!

Anna.x

Oh, aargh, Victoria, I've tried to keep the master list up to date (I've reorganized it to make it more coherent) and now I have to compare what you've got in two separate lists to what I've got on the master list on page 1.

Sorry I couldn't be around as consistently as would have been wise ....

Evie

can you pleae add these 2 to the list on the front page

Estella Jones age 57
Martha Land age 56
thanks Vic