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trying to find the marriage of John Bennett + Mary........they were both from Kensington and had their son John 1862 Kensington........so I guess their marriage was c1860 in the kensington area

Could find only two possibles for marriage

John Bennett to Mary Ann Golicher March 1858 1a 364 St. Martin in the fields district this church for some reason was it's own reg. district but in Kensington.

John Bennett - Mary Welch 1a 30 Sept 1860 Kensington.

is this them ?

1871 England Census about John Bennett
Name: John Bennett
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 31c
Household schedule number: 988
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bennett 41
Mary Bennett 29
John Bennett 10
William Bennett 8
James Bennett 6
Thomas Bennett 2
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There are a few John and Marys I think you may need John Juniors birth cert to be absolutely certain you have the right couple.

yes Lindsey thats them

here they are in 1881...........Mary is now Mary A


Mary A. Bennett
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 11 York Mews
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Ironer

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34a
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Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A. Bennett 37
John J. Bennett 18
James Bennett 14
Thomas Bennett 10
Walter Bennett 9
Harriett Bennett 7
Arthur Bennett 4
Mary A. Bennett 1

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Theres a big age difference, which presupposes John may have been married before, have you found him on the 1861 census ?

Hi Lindsey, I havent yet found him on 1861 census........only got his son John Bennetts MC back today with said his father John was a Bricklayer and John was 24......so b1862 (he was also a bricklayer)

thank you for your help over the last few days! It really is appreciated ............if your ever bored and fancy a challange please see my Harriet Lambeth thread - its pulling my hair out! And I'm about to give up

Yes and I hate the word challenge ! I tend to avoid those headings !
I drew a blank with her so far, I'll say this, you have some complicated family, for what one would assume quite normal names ! Well thats all your pocket money blown on certificates ! Back to the drawing board.............

can anyone find john and mary in 1861

this is stab in the dark but i dont really think its them, John is laborer

1861 England Census about John Bennett
Name: John Bennett
Age: 6 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Westminster St John The Evangelist
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
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Household schedule number: 152
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bennett 26
Mary Bennett 25
Cecily Bennett 2
John Bennett 6 Mo
Margaret Booth 22
Margaret Booth 1

hi Lindsey........saw the clue on the 1881 census that he was John J Bennett b1862..........there are 2 birth records forJohn J Bennetts born 1862 Kensington..........so I really dont think he was born in 1861

How about looking up the other children see if theres a more positive cert,
Harriet is a good one to try.


Walter looks better, if you order stating father John you will get a part refund.if wrong.
Whats the betting at the end they didnt marry !

can anyone help me unmuddle this!!!!!!!!!! I have just come back to this and it doesnt add up!!!!!!!! on the 1881 census we have Mary Ann as a widow........but husband John was alive in 1886 at his sons wedding.......have I got the wrong 1881 census - all the names/occupations tie in though ..........the marriage cert of his son does not say deceased.....................did it always say deceased on a marriage cert????????????

For what its worth I think Mary is underage and didnt marry or John has been married before and these are not all Mary's children, just to muddy the water!

The best hit I found is a birth for Walter which should give her surname,

Karen, that could well be the parents in 1891.........but what I really dont understand is on 1881 census Mary says widower...... Is it possible this could be a mistake??? We know John was alive in 1886 because of the wedding cert doesnt say father deceased.........any more ideas welcome!!!!!!!!

It could simply be that the registrar just didn't ask if Father.was dead or alive.
at the time.
I like the way Mary gets younger on each census!

If the grandparents are Rayners this is the only Rayner? Bennett marriage I can see ?

Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)
BENNETT Samuel Frederick St Saviour 1d 20
RAYNER Mary Ann St Saviour 1d 20

how do you know John was alive at his sons wedding? even if it doesnt say deceased against the name he may well have been. depends how the question was asked re his father when the marriage was being arranged.
For instance my maternal grandfather married first in1898 and his fathers name & occupation is given, when he remarried as a widower to my gran in 1909 his dads name & occupation was again given also stated deceased so i assumed he had died between 1898 and 1909 and wasted money on two death certs.An update on FreeBmd one time suddenly threw up that grt grandfather had died in 1884 aged 34 which explained too why i couldn't.t find him on later census after 1881.
So not saying deceased on a marriage cert doesnt necessarily mean the dad was still alive

Hi Karen , thanks for your time, sorry I didnt reply earlier - havent been on for a few days.
John Bennett bachelor age 24 bricklayer - married Sarah Jane Rayner on 3 Oct 1886 . Father John Bennett Bricklayer..........they married in Chelsea.........both residence 320 Kensal Road...........

So sorry about the confusion on the 1891 census I was getting confused with another John Bennett I have ......ignore what I said, I am going mad with all this!!! It seems to be affecting my brain and turning it into a muddle!

Out of interest I cannot find John Bennett 1862 and wife sarah on the 1901 census......assuming that is them on 1891

So do we think that John Bennett married Mary Welch 1860 Kensington? It is going to be difficult to find them both on the census pre marraige!!! There are so many Bennetts!!!

So to sum up....I am trying to trace back from John Bennett born c1862 who married Sarah Rayner 1886 ( I have done the Rayner side so only need help with the bennetts).........their son John Bennett was born 1888 and HE is the one who is on the 2 possible census saying with the Rayner grandparents.........Any help Tracing back from John Bennett 1862 is what I am searching for..........but dont know how I will find a birth record for him as there are so many John Bennetts born around 1862!!!!!!!!!