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We are trying to find the common Brewer family link between Clifford Vernon Brewer b 1899 in Poplar, London and Tammar Brewer b abt 1864 who married David Lungley. We know there is a common family connection as Clifford Brewer's family have a post card collection that was passed down from Emma the wife of George Lungley. Can any one find the missing link please?
Thanks
George

For reference.


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Clifford Vernon Brewer
Name: Clifford Vernon Brewer
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Oct 1899
Father's Name: Henry James Brewer ship's steward
Mother's Name: Rose Louisa Maria Brewer
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex



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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Tamar Brewer
Name: Tamar Brewer
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bishops Stortford
County: Essex, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 209 (click to see others on page)


Daughter of William Brewer, Little Hadham, Hertfordshire, 1809.



1881 census transcription details for: Mornington Lodge, Wanstead
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 1728 Folio: 65 Page: 25

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Leyton
Parish: Wanstead Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Mornington Lodge, Wanstead
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CLARK, Frances Head Single F 39 1842
Abridge
Essex
BROWN, James Hall Boarder Married M 42 1839 Veterinary Surgeon
London Holborn, London
Middlesex
BREWER, Tamar Servant Single F 17 1864 General Serv Domestic
Wadham
Hertfordshire

Have you tried a search on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family
Liz

Tamer Brewer?

1871

Name: Tamar Brewer
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Little Hadham, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Little Hadham
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub-registration district: Bishop Stortford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 175
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brewer 62
Emma Brewer 12
Tamar Brewer 7
William J Brewer 5

Name: Thomas Davis Brewer to either Thirza Brown or Eliza Perry
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 557



1871 census transcription details for: Briton Side, Charles, Plymouth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 2114 Folio: 105 Page: 13

Reg. District: Plymouth Sub District: Charles
Parish: Charles Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Plymouth
Address: Briton Side, Charles, Plymouth
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
BREWER, Thirza Wife F 41 1830 Devon
BREWER, Sarah J Daughter F 16 1855 Devon
BREWER, Robert Son M 14 1857 Devon
>>BREWER, Henry J Son M 4 1867 Devon
BREWER, Charles C Son M 2 1869 Devon

Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Poplar
Parish: Poplar Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: St Saviours City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 71, Sussex Street, Poplar
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
PILCHER, Hansell Head Married M 41 1850 Custom House Officer
Alverstoke
Hampshire
PILCHER, Mary A Wife Married F 51 1840
Yarmouth
Isle of Wight
PILCHER, Hansell E Son Single M 25 1866 Jam Packer
Yarmouth
Isle of Wight
PILCHER, Alice M Daughter Single F 12 1879
Poplar
London
PILCHER, Mary G Daughter Single F 10 1881
Poplar
London
BREWER, Henry G B Son In Law Married M 25 1866 Steward
Plymouth
Devonshire
BREWER, Rose L M Daughter Married F 21 1870
Stepney
London

This Could be the connection
Tamar was the daughter of William Brewer bap 21/1/1810 Little Hadham to John and Sarah
John and sarah had another son Thomas bap 3/3/1822 Little Hadham who could be the Thomas davis Brewer,whose son Henry James was father to Clifford Vernon Brewer.
But Thomas Davis is proving elusive
Ihave his marriage to Thirza Brown in 1852 but he is not with Thirza in 1871 or 1861 (when she is with her mother Sarah Brown in Plymouth)
I would guess he was at sea,

No, think again -the Little Hadham Thomas is married to Sarah in 1861 so cant be Thomas Davis Brewer

West Ham seems a comon feature
Tammar was married there in 1884
Thirza died there in 1886
Charles C (brother of Henry James) and Thirza's son was a boarder there in 1891 and is married to Beatrice in 1901

Thanks all of you,
Can you see why I'm having a problem!

We have a Brewer tree and a separate one for the Lungley's, but so far I have not found one common link from Tamar down to Clifford Vernon Brewer. I just go round in circles.

Yes West Ham is our Brewer area. The Custom House area where Emma & George Lungley lived is not far away on the map. As the old postcards, belonging to the Lungley's, end up being passed down to our Brewer's we know there is a family connection between them.

My mother-in-law, who is the daughter of Clifford Vernon Brewer, still maintains that the connection is through her mother's McGiff family, in spite of the Tamar Brewer marriage to Lungley (so that makes it worse! She thinks she is right - can it be possible?)

Meanwhile, I'm going to print off what you have so far found, so I can study it again when my head clears! At this rate I think I might be joining my ancestors sooner than I thought, due to a brain hemorrhage, and it's not even my family!

Thanks girls (& any Guys?)
Brain-dead pensioner George (son-in-law still, just)

Ok for reference again. What were her parent's names?

Name: Clifford V Brewer
Spouse Surname: Mcgiff
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1923
Registration district: West Ham
Registration county (inferred): Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 292
Find Spouse: Annie M Mcgiff


Is this the right family?


1911 census transcription details for: 704 Barking Road Plaistow E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9445 RG78PN507B RD188 SD3 ED35 SN38

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Plaistow
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 35
Address: 704 Barking Road Plaistow E
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
MCGIFF, Alfred William Head Married M 42 1869 Draper Credit West Ham Essex
MCGIFF, Annie Wife Married
7 years F 49 1862 St Luke City of London
MCGIFF, Annie Mary Daughter Single F 18 1893 Clerk Clothing East Ham Essex
MCGIFF, Kathleen Rosina Daughter Single F 17 1894 Credit Draper Assistant East Ham Essex

Marriage

>>Annie Dennis 1904 West Ham Essex, Greater London
View Record
Ada Louisa Fordyke 1904 West Ham Essex, Greater London
View Record
>>Alfred William McGiff 1904 West Ham Essex, Greater London
View Record
Ernest Fell Onley 1904 West Ham Essex, Greater London


His first marriage.


>>Catherine Sarah Andrews 1891 West Ham Essex, Greater London
View Record
William George Gibbins 1891 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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Margaret Holland 1891 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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>>Alfred William McGiff 1891 West Ham Essex, Greater London

Yes Alviegal, it's right family ok. Well done!
Clifford Vernon Brewer married Annie Mary McGiff. Parents of Annie were Alfred William McGiff (Credit Draper) + Catherine Sarah Andrews (are those the 'parents' you asked about?)
Clifford's parents were: Henry James Brewer+Rose Louise Marie Pilcher.

Both Clifford & Annie had siblings too, if you need those too?
I Found my records on Ancestry. Got Brewer family back to Thomas Davis Brewer+Thirza Brown (also got father of TDB & parents of Thirza too)
Does this help?
Thanks
George hanging on in there by a thread (this one)