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I have this record but I was wondering if someone could explain what is meant by FOREIGN SUBJECT, FRANCE.... I have googled but Im still none the wiser as it doesnt explain much.

Any advice? :-)

Name: Edward Collins
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Foreign Subject, France
Civil parish: Great Yarmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Collins 49
Hannah Collins 32
Amelia Collins 14
Ethel Collins 13
Bertie Collins 9
Elizabeth Collins 8
Edith Collins 6
Rosy Collins 4
Louisa Collins 2

found this one in France

Edward W. Collins Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth: 25 DEC 1813 Paris, Seine, France

Christening:
Death: 07 OCT 1869
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Marriages:
Spouse: Delilah Forehand Family

presumably it means he wasn't French by birth

Hiya Ann,

Thanks, but I think the birth is a bit early..... do u mean this is a relative or father?

not a clue and I realise it's too early but it seems rather a coincidence donlt you think?

very peculiar!!!!

DELILAH FOREHAND Pedigree
Female Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: EDWARD W. COLLINS Family
Marriage: 27 JUL 1838 Marriage Index,,Misc, , , New Hampshire

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Delilah Forehand Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 11 JUN 1819 Croydon, Sullivan, New Hampshire
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Parents:
Father: Christopher Forehand Family
Mother: Betsey Walker

I shall have a look into that.....
Ive only just started on the Collins and I have a suspicion that his name was JOHN Edward Collins, but most the records are as Edward.

Thanks Ann...I shall have a look into that :-) x

Hi Erika,
I have had a look back to 1891 which gives Edward Collins as born in St. Helana which I think should be St. Helena, making him a French citizen.
Kate

Hi there, for what it's worth I would of thought that "Foreign Subject" - would mean he was not born in England and "France" would relate to his country of origin.
My surname is Colin and my husband is French so even though it may not look very french it is possibly a french name.

If his marriage cert. gives Joseph as father's name, then this could be him in 1861 ?

Name: Edward Collins
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Celia
Gender: Male
Where born: Guernsey, Channel Islands


Civil Parish or Township: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Collins 43
Celia Collins 41
Joseph Collins 15
Edward Collins 13
Emma Collins 10
William Collins 8
John Collins 6
George Collins 2

Could be worth keeping on file?


Same in 1851:-
Name: Edward Collins
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Celia
Gender: Male
Where born: St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish or Township: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Registration district: Jersey
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Collins 31
Celia Collins 31
Joseph Collins 5
Edward Collins 3
Emma Collins 8 Mo
Celia Cox 13 (Below:- All Step Children)
Rhoda Cox 11
Ada Cox 9
Charles Cox 7

This would be the 1891 census

Edward Collins abt 1852 St Heland Head Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Anna Collins abt 1868 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Ethel Collins abt 1868 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
James Collins abt 1885 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Amelia Collins abt 1887 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

Living 10 Pleasant Place.

Ethel's age is given as 2 1/2yrs so date of birth would be 1888 not 1868.

Also interesting to note that Edward is noted as being deaf and dumb.

1911 census may throw some light on his place of birth, but you will have to pay to view:-

HOUSEHOLD COLLINS ALICE F 1901 10 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS ARTHUR M 1908 3 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS BERTIE M 1893 18 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS EDITH F 1896 15 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS EDWARD M 1853 58 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS ELIZABETH F 1894 17 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS LOUISA F 1899 12 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS MAY F 1904 7 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS ROSE F 1898 13 Yarmouth Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD COLLINS HANNAH F 1868 43 Yarmouth Norfolk

EDIT:-
When I put France for place of birth for Edward:-
First names EDWARD
First names Algorithm Exact
Last names COLLINS
Last names Algorithm Exact
Birth Year 1853
Birth Year +/- 1 years
Birth Place FRANCE
County Norfolk
Residence YARMOUTH
it showed same result as 1911 census.

1901 was before the days of British citizenship, people were British subjects.

Census enumerators would then just refer to the citizen of a foreign country as a "foreign subject" even though France and the US, for instance, were republics with no monarch and so their citizens were not "subjects".

It's quite simple, it means he was born a citizen of a foreign country, France, and is still a citizen of that country living in England.

If someone was a British subject born abroad (the child of a British subject father), it would say something like "France, British subject".

If they were born a citizen of another country born abroad and then became "citizens" of the UK later, it would say "France, naturalized British subject" (or BS).

--- I should add that just because the census says this (or anything else!) doesn't mean it was correct. If he was born in Guernsey for example the enumerator may have thought that meant he was a French citizen.

Possible marriage, which could confirm or not the earlier census:-

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
<<<COLLINGS Edward Yarmouth 4b 22
FOWELL Harriet Emma Yarmouth 4b 22
<<<Oxborough Hannah Yarmouth 4b 22
PAYNE William Henry G Yarmouth 4b 22

Hiya

Many thanks for your replys. The information is fantastic and v. helpful.

Erika :-) xx