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Hi, I`m still trying to find out about my great grandfather Arthur Cook born between August 1862 and August 1863 apparently in Southall, London; died 10th. August 1922 in Hanwell, London aged 59.

Marriage cert. ( to Rebecca Goodall ) gives his father`s name as Joseph, but the birth cert. of the only Arthur Cook born in 1862 / 3 in Southall / Uxbridge / Brentford shows the father`s name as James.

I really need help !

Thanks

David Byles

1891 is this the right one?

Name: Arthur Cook
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Southall, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Hanwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Hanwell
Town: Hanwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: bricklayer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub registration district: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19

Rebecca 1863 Hayes




1881 not a lot of help as he is listed as boarder

Hi David

Just going by the date of death and the age given: If the age at death was accurate then he could have been born anytime between 11 Aug 1862 and 9 Aug 1864 so you may need to widen your search a bit.

What was the date of the marriage and what age did he say he was then? That should narrow it a bit.

Have you found him in the 1871 census with his parents? The place of birth in that one is likely to be the more accurate one. Sometimes the family moved when the child was young so the child's memories are of where they grew up and they assume that was where they were born.

Jill

for reference:-
Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Cook Arthur Woolwich 1d 1790
Goodall Rebecca Woolwich 1d 1790
The district Woolwich spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, Kent and London

Hi Glitter Baby,

Yes - that`s the right one. I would like info. about his parents and that`s where the confusion starts. Was his father Jospeh or James, or even a combination of both ?

The census returns between 1841 and 1891 don`t seem to be much help.

David

Hi Jill,

The age at death (59) was from the death certificate and also the records of the manager / superintendent of the cemetery in Hanwell, so I assume it is correct.

That`s a good point about the child`s memory of where he was born, but I`m afraid I can`t see how he could have been born after August 1863 and still have been 59 when he died ??

David

You say the marriage cert. gives fathers name as Joseph, but what was his profession?
and what was Arthur's age when he married?

Hi Catherine,

That is the correct info. I already have their marriage certificate. THanks very much.

David

Births Mar 1863 (>99%)

COOK Arthur Uxbridge 3a 31

Hi David

Depending on when his actual date of birth was I work out birth dates like this:

Age 59 on 10 Aug 1922 - poss dob = 10 Aug 1863.

If his dob was either the day before or the day after 10 August then:

Age 58 on 9 Aug 1922 - poss dob = 9 Aug 1864.
Age 60 on 11 Aug 1922 (if he had lived another day) - poss dob = 11 Aug 1862.

Therefore - dob between 11 Aug 1862 and 9 Aug 1864.

Applying same workings to his age on marriage should narrow the gap a bit. Although this does assume that the age on death cert and at marriage are correct.

Jill

Hi David

Sorry, meant to say, according to FreeBMD that is the only Arthur Cook born in Uxbridge area from 1837 to 1889.

Alison

Catherine,

According to the marriage certificate, Arthur`s deceased father Joseph had been a labourer.

David

I keep looking at Arthur Tyler born Southall with father Joseph who is a labourer on 1871 census

I can not find Arthur Tyler on 1881.

Hi Alison,

I know - that`s what makes the question about his father`s name so confusing.

David

Alison,

Sorry - hadn`t noticed your first message.

I have that birth certificate. That`s what gives the father`s name as James, whereas Arthur`s marriage cert, gives his father`s name (deceased) as Joseph.

David

Hi Glitter Baby

I`ve looked at the census you mentioned. It`s certainly worth thinking about.

How did you find that record ? Is there some way of searching for only part of a name ?

David

Hi Jill

I understand your calculations now. I hadn`t thought of working it out like that. THanks.

David

Hi David
I wonder if this is relevant in anyway !! (long shot I know)

There is this marriage index

Marriages Dec (quarter) 1868
>>>COOK Sarah Kensington 1a 335
Fuller Ann Kensington 1a 335
>>>Tyler James Kensington 1a 335
Weekes John Kensington 1a 335

I don't know if this Sarah COOK did marry this James Tyler--but maybe this is the same family in 1871 census

Name: Arthur Tyler
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Southall, Green
Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Tyler 7
Joseph Tyler 53--labourer
Sarah Tyler 40

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 67; Folio: 89; Page: 38

Hi Barbara

I don`t know whether or not there is any connection at the moment, but it`s something to bear in mind.

THanks very much.

David