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I'm very confused about the children of James and Lucy of Selbourn Hampshire. According to the 1851/61/71 census James and Lucy had a daughter Sarah born 1828 and a granddaughter Sarah born 1836. They had a son Adolphus 1835 daughter Ann 1835 and grandchildren James 1852 Elizabeth 1840 and Ann 1856.

Who were the parents of Sarah 1836, James, Ann 1856 and Elizabeth. I just can't understand it all and would be grateful for some help

Hi Anne

Could you possibly post the earliest census so we can guage where we are...

Tracey x

That's the earliest census I've got, couldn't find them earlier. The visitor Elizabeth is on as the granddaughter later on

Ok Anne,

1851 has the children as Daughter, Son & Elizabeth is a visitor.

1851 England Census

Name: Sarah Cooper
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Selborne, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Selborne
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Alton
Sub registration district: Alton

James Cooper 58
Lucy Cooper 59
Sarah Cooper 23 << Dau
Adolphus Cooper 16 << Son
Elizabeth Cooper 11 << Visitor

With the age of James & Lucy, i would say it's a fair guess they have children that have left home a while ago!


Tracey x

Here you go...

The 1841, sadly it doesn't give you relationship tho :(

1841 England Census
about Sarah Cooper
Name: Sarah Cooper
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Selborne
Hundred: Selborne (Lower Half)
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Alton
Sub registration district: Binstead

James Cooper 40
Lucy Cooper 45
John Cooper 15
Sarah Cooper 14
Richard Cooper 10
Adulphus Cooper 7
Elizabeth Cooper 1


Tracey x

A marriage,,,

JAMES COOPER
Marriages:
Spouse: LUCY ROBINSON Family
Marriage: 31 MAY 1828 Kingsley, Hampshire, England

Did they have John and then marry? Is John Lucy's and not James? or is this not the right marriage? Hmmmm



Tracey

Now you see why I'm confused. I think Ann 1835 may be the same Ann who was married to Adolphus and they've put her down as daughter and not daughter in law.

The James 1852 was my Great grandfather and I was trying to go a bit further back than that. I think the problem was they lived on a big estate and not a village, so there must have been lots of cousins marrying (or not) as the case may be

I have found the 1841 and adulphus was most def the son!

Tracey x

Could James have been married before Lucy do you think?

If i were you i'd order the birth cert for James to see whom his parents were.... For him to be a Cooper he is either illegitimate or the child of a Cooper son.

The 1841 as previously mentioned has Adulphus listed as the 7yr old son. I think you have maybe made this a little more complicated by running ahead of yourself?

You should order the birth cert to be sure which of Lucy & James's children are the parents of James.

It does seem they were in a nice house and could afford the family staying intermitantly... which is nice at the time, but pure hell for us!


Tracey x

Thanks for the help. I'll order Jame's birth certificate, it does seem the only way to sort it all out

In 1871 in Selbourne Sarah (1828) has married a Samuel Chiverton and her father James Cooper is living with them aged 76
Also with them are James Cooper 19 and Annie Cooper 13 -here they are described as "son " and Daughter" - so my interpretation would be they are Sarahs children born before her marriage
The 1861 has a few errors -Adoplphus is correctly shown as married but his wife Ann is shown as Daur instead of Daur-in -law
Also Sarah could hardly be a grandchildand I think her age is wrong and she is in fact the same as the 1828 one