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James Dennis my fathers brother

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Philip

Philip Report 11 Oct 2009 16:00

I am trying to find any information about a James Dennis b1901 in lambeth ,he was brother of my father Henry b 1898 to Clara Dennis who lived at Shepherdess Walk ,apparently unmarried. My father was abandoned by her in 1900.I have come to a dead end and would like to know more.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 11 Oct 2009 16:32

1901 England Census
about Clara Dennis
Name: Clara Dennis
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Holborn Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Clara Dennis 25 single,occ Charing, born Clerkenwell, London
James Dennis 1 born Lambeth


I have obviously not included all the other inmates .


Where would Henry have been as he was born before James?

Philip

Philip Report 13 Oct 2009 11:12

Florence, thankyou for messages about my father and his mother and brother. Dad never had a birth certificate and when he was due for an old age pension he wrote to Somerset house and they estimated his birth as 1898 so he could well have been born in 1868.you help is appreciated many thanks pipd.

Philip

Philip Report 13 Oct 2009 11:17

moodyblue. many thanks for the information about clara dennis, Henry was I believe in an institution when james was born I think but dont know for sure.thanks again regards pipd

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 13 Oct 2009 19:39

1901 census transcription details for: Holborn Union, Shepherdess Walk City Road
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 273 Folio: 45 Page: 22

Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: Hoxton New Town
Parish: Shoreditch Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Hoxton Holy Trinity City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Shoreditch
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
DENNIS, Harry Inmate Single M 3 1898 Nil
Ty


This is the same place as Clara & James in 1901 so all three were together.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 14 Oct 2009 00:19

Could this be Henry in 1911?

1911 Census

DENNIS, Henry Inmate M age 12 born 1899 Scholar , Where Born - London St Lukes
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3462 Reference:
RG14PN3462 RD39 SD6 ED43 SN9999

Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
Mitcham EnumerationDistrict:
43 Parish:
>>>>>>>>>Holborn Union School

Address:
London Road Mitcham Surrey



ST. LUKE REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : London.
Created : 1.7.1837 (sometimes "St. Luke Middlesex" in early listings)
Abolished : 2.8.1869 (succeeded by Holborn district).
Sub-districts : City Road; Finsbury; Old Street; Whitecross Street.


This could be a possible birth :

DENNIS Henry Holborn.1b 763 4 1896

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 14 Oct 2009 09:09

this look likes it could be James!



1911 census transcription details for: Workhouse Cottage Homes In Connection With The Parish Of St Leonards Shoreditch London,
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9950 RD191 SD4 ED18 SN9999

Reg. District: Romford Sub District: Hornchurch
Parish: Hornchurch Enum. District: 18
Address: Romford Road Hornchurch Essex
County: Essex

DENNIS, James Inmate M age 10 born 1901 where born- N K



two possible births for James?

Name Mother's Maiden Name District Page Quarter Year

DENNIS James St Saviour Southwark.1d 69 2 1900


DENNIS James Shoreditch.1c 47 4 1900

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 14 Oct 2009 13:39

Do not think that the Clara born Shoreditch with mother Frances is your Clara........what do you think?

Marriages Mar 1899
Gyngell Robert Walker Shoreditch 1c 175
Dennis Clara Shoreditch 1c 175

1911 census transcription details for: 156 Kingsland Road
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1367 RG78PN48 RD16 SD3 ED4 SN179

Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: Shoreditch North East
Parish: Shoreditch Enum. District: 4
Address: 156 Kingsland Road
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
GYNGELL, Robert Walter Head Married
12 years M 35 1876 Compositor Printer London Clerkenwell
>>>>>>>>GYNGELL, Clara Wife Married F 35 1876 Machine Butchers Coats London Shoreditch
GYNGELL, Gladys Clara Daughter F 11 1900 School London Shoreditch
GYNGELL, William Robert Son M 7 1904 London Shoreditch


also another of Frances' daughters:-

Marriages Dec 1892
DENNIS Harriet Shoreditch 1c 293
Gyngell Harry Foster Shoreditch 1c 293

1911 census transcription details for: 15 Barretts Grove Stoke Newington London N
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1022 RG78PN34 RD11 SD1 ED18 SN15

Reg. District: Hackney Sub District: Stoke Newington
Parish: Stoke Newington Enum. District: 18
Address: 15 Barretts Grove Stoke Newington London N
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
GYNGELL, Henry Head Married M 45 1866 Wholesale News Agent Assistant Chippenham Wiltshire
>>>>>>>>>>>GYNGELL, Harriett Wife Married
19 years F 39 1872 Kingsland Lon
GYNGELL, Harry W Son Single M 16 1895 Printers Assistant Clerkenwell
GYNGELL, Lynda Daughter Single F 18 1893 Surgical Dressing Manager Lambeth
GYNGELL, Hubert Son M 13 1898 Schoolboy Clerkenwell
GYNGELL, Stanley Son M 11 1900 Schoolboy Kingsland Rd Lon
GYNGELL, Elsie Daughter F 7 1904 Schoolgirl Kingsland Rd Lon
GYNGELL, Hylda Daughter F 5 1906 Schoolgirl Kingsland Rd Lon
>>>>>>>>>>DENNIS, Francis Visitor Widower F 69 1842 Private Means East London


Because of the connections above, that is my reason for believing that your Clara Dennis is not connected to these families.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 18 Oct 2009 01:08

This one looks interesting! Age is a liitle out, but not enough to worry about, and she is born in Westminster which is really close to Clerkenwell where Clara Dennis says born in 1901.

From: City of Westminster, London
To: Clerkenwell, London
Distance: 2.6 miles

1911 census transcription details for: 2 Cadell St N E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1382 RG78PN49 RD17 SD1 ED1 SN175

Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Bethnal Green North East
Parish: Bethnal Green Enum. District: 1
Address: 2 Cadell St N E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
BEAUCHAMP, Thomas Head Widower M 56 1855 Carman Bethnal Green Casty of Paynes Gardens Middlesex London
BEAUCHAMP, Henry Son M 14 1897 Tincutter Dumont St Hackney Rd London
BEAUCHAMP, George Son M 7 1904 School Horalis St Hackney Rd London
BEAUCHAMP, Alfred Son M 5 1906 School Horalis St Hackney Rd London
>>>>>>>>DENNIS, Clara Single F 32 1879 General Servant Westminster London


Brenda

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Oct 2009 01:34

This is on Ancestry:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Harold Dennis
Name: James Harold Dennis
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Jan 1901
Father's Name: James Dennis
Mother's Name: Clara Dennis
Parish: Saint Mary, Hoxton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex
Abode: Holborn Union

The father's name is crossed out on the image and illegitimate is written. Date of birth looks to be Dec 5th 1900.

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Oct 2009 01:47

Wonder if this is your dad?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Isaac Henry Dennis
Name: Isaac Henry Dennis
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Dec 1898
Father's Name: Isaac Henry Dennis
Mother's Name: Clara Dennis
Parish: Saint Mary, Hoxton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

No sign of an Isaac Henry birth, marriage or death and nothing on census records. Could be Clara trying to pretend she's married like she tried with James

Think the date of birth is Nov 23rd 1898.

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Oct 2009 18:55

Had a PM from Philip. His father's birth was Nov 23rd so it looks like Isaac Henry could be the one.

Rose