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hi bought my grandfathers birth certificatee today and it names his mother cathrine roberts (1868) and his father robert edwards (1859) i have them in the 1901 cencus living at same address as birth cert 44 brunswick st helens,robert ,they both come from wales ,,could anyone please find their marraige i belive it was in wales to help me go further down this line,
kind regards
june

June is this the family in 1911??


1911 census - household transcription
Person: EDWARDS, Catherine
Address: 135 Ramford Street St Helens Lancashire

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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EDWARDS, Catherine Head Widow F 43 1868 Carnarvonshire Llandeniolen VIEW
EDWARDS, Griffiths Richards Son Single M 17 1894 App Bottle Maker Lancs St Helens VIEW
EDWARDS, Joseph Ellis Son Single M 16 1895 App Glassmaker Lancs St Helens VIEW
EDWARDS, Robert John Son M 13 1898 Packer Warehouse Lancs St Helens VIEW
EDWARDS, Edward Wallaxce Son M 11 1900 School Lancs St Helens VIEW
EDWARDS, Pertram Son M 9 1902 School Lancs St Helens VIEW
EDWARDS, Mary Carline Daughter F 7 1904 School Lancs St Helens VIEW
EDWARDS, Thomas Son M 4 1907 VIEW
EDWARDS, Ellen Daughter F 2 1909 VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22808 Reference:
RG14PN22808 RG78PN1333 RD456 SD5 ED54 SN127

Registration District:
Prescot Sub District:
St Helens Enumeration District:
54 Parish:
St Helens

Address:
135 Ramford Street St Helens Lancashire County:
Lancashire

yes it looks like it because the daughter that are in this cencus are remebered by my aunt
kind regards
june,
thats brilliant

1901 For ref.
Name: Robert Edwards
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Gln, Cobwyn, Wales

Civil parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

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Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 244
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Edwards 42
Catherine Edwards 33
Griffith R Edwards 7 St.Helens
Joseph E Edwards 6
Robert Jno Edwards 3
Edward W Edwards 1 month


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this is brilliant i thought they had married in wales,teach me to belive in old relatives,thank you ever so much
kind regards june

oh i thought that was the marriage

Theses are the only 3 marriages i can see on Lancashire BMD for around the time of the first birth.
EDWARDS Robert DALY Catherine Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/6/399



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
EDWARDS Robert HANNAN Catherine Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/140/149



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
EDWARDS

Ann
Because Catherine is listed as widow she has not entered how many years married!

However on the original you can see where she has erased number off children and it it is quite faint but looks like: 6 children born 6living & 0 deaths

How about this one?


Marriage: 28 Apr 1894 St Nicholas, Sutton, Lancashire, England
Robert Edwards - 35 Miner Bachelor of Rolling Mill Lane Sutton
Catherine Roberts - 27 Spinster of 79 Makins Row
Groom's Father: Edward Edwards, Quarryman
Bride's Father: Richard Roberts, Quarryman
Witness: William Daniel Hughes; Lizzie Lewis
Married by Banns by: F.W.E. Chadwick Curate
Register: Marriages 1884 - 1897, Page 171, Entry 341
Source: LDS Film 1657568

the 1911 cencus is right as far as the children and the address i didnt know robert had died so young but the birth cert of my grandad robert john edwards,it names his mother as cathrine nee roberts,but i have tried unsucssesfully to try and find where they got married so i can follow the line further
kindest regards
june

is there a chance they didnt marry,and cathrine just took the name edwards
kind regards
june

oh ann that looks promising,could you advise me how to confirm it?
kiind regards
june

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Baptisms: 11 Nov 1897 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
Robert John Edwards - Child of Robert Edwards & Catherine
Born: 4 Nov 1897
Abode: Parr
Occupation: Miner
Notes: Private [Entered out of sequence in the Register]
Baptised by: S. Hankey
Register: Baptisms 1896 – 1908, Page 18, Entry 141
Source: LDS Film 1849649

Baptisms: 29 Dec 1899 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
Edward William Edwards - Child of Robert Edwards & Catherine
Born: 20 Dec 1899
Abode: Parr
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: W. Edmundson
Register: Baptisms 1896 – 1908, Page 50, Entry 393
Source: LDS Film 1849649

Baptisms: 15 Jul 1908 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
Ellen Edwards - Child of Robert Edwards & Catherine
Born: 29 May 1908
Abode: 2 Byram St
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: T W Dearnley
Register: Baptisms 1896 – 1908, Page 192, Entry 1532
Source: LDS Film 1849649

Baptisms: 15 Jul 1908 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
Thomas Edwards - Child of Robert Edwards & Catherine
Born: 29 May 1908
Abode: 2 Byram St
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: T W Dearnley
Register: Baptisms 1896 – 1908, Page 192, Entry 1533
Source: LDS Film 1849649

Well June...yes there is always that chance, but above looks like your grandada & siblings.

Annx

anne, you are absolutly brilliant,i cannot belive how much help you have given me,i was searching wales and belive me there is a lot of roberts and edwards,thank you ,,thank you ,,
kind regards
june xx

Hi june,

I am not too hot on Lancashire records, as you can see you now have actual birth dates and baptism dates for 4 of the children.

For me and my searches the parents usually baptised their children in the church they married (of course unless the parents moved counties)

Below is not the case being St Nicks for marriage and St peter for baps, just noticed your granpa had a private baptism.

PS I live in Wales so dont tell me about all the Jonses edwards Davies etc!! lol

Ann

This may be worth hanging on to

1871 census - household transcription
Person: ROBERTS, Catherine
Address: Ebenezer, Llanddeiniolen

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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ROBERTS, Thomas G Head M 36 1835 Caernarvonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Ellin Wife F 36 1835 Anglesey VIEW
ROBERTS, Dorothy Daughter F 12 1859 Caernarvonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Ellin Daughter F 10 1861 Caernarvonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Thomas T Son M 7 1864 Caernarvonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Hugh Son M 5 1866 Caernarvonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Catherine Daughter F 3 1868 Caernarvonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Owen Son M 1 1870 Caernarvonshire VIEW

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Registration District:
Carnarvon Sub District:
Llanrug Enumeration District:
18 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Llanddeiniolen Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ebenezer, Llanddeiniolen County:
Carnarvonshire

dear ann hahahaha,how long would i have been searching if you hadnt have helped me,as for granpa having a private baptism,i knew there had to be money some where hahahah god know what they spent it on,but you have helped me so much ,im going on to look for more but i know sooner or later im going to end up in wales,so maybe asking for help in the near future
kindest regards
june xx

dear ann,god your brilliant,but i feel guilty at you spending your credits,thank you, thank you ,thank you
kindest regards
june xx

Hi june,

The 1871 census is only a suggestion!! for future reference, it may not be her, it is a very common name, but a possibilty as the birth year and birthplace match.

As for the PRIVATE baptism, this would probably be that the child was poorly at birth.......meaning the vicar would have gone to the house to baptise him......just in case the worst happened.

I have a subscription so no credits.....already paid!

Annx

dear ann,i didnt know that,ahhh thats a shame, as for the credits,thank you very much all the same
kindest regards
june