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Hi,

I am trying to find any information on the marriage (and descendants) of my gx2 aunt Elizabeth Evans born around 1874 in Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales. Her father was Joshua Evans (died in 1887) and mother was Elizabeth Evans (nee Evens). By 1894 they had moved to Ince in Lancashire and her mother had re-married to become Elizabeth Worsdale (she married Albert Worsdale in Wigan in 1889).

I would be grateful for any help,

Many thanks in advance,

Russ

Hi Russ - have you checked in Search Trees top of this page to find any connections on this site?

for info, you probably have this

1891 census - household transcription
Person: WORSDALE, Albert
Address: 6, Baron Street, Wigan

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

WORSDALE, Albert Head Married M 41 1850 Coal Miner Wiltshire
WORSDALE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1853 Montgomeryshire
WORSDALE, Joseph Son M 14 1877 Coal Miner Winstanley Lancashire
WORSDALE, William Son M 12 1879 Scholar Winstanley Lancashire
WORSDALE, James Son M 9 1882 Scholar Winstanley Lancashire
WORSDALE, Charles Son M 7 1884 Scholar Winstanley Lancashire
WORSDALE, Thomas Son M 4 1887 Winstanley Lancashire
WORSDALE, Elizabeth Daughter F 18 1873 Cotton Spinner Montgomeryshire

looks to be Elizabeth Senior in 1911 census - household transcription

Person: WORSDALE, Elizabeth
Address: 5 Shop St Wheatley Hill Thornley S O Durham

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

EVANS, Thomas Head Married M 24 1887 Coal Miner Hewer Lancashire Ince
EVANS, Dorothy Wife Married 1 years F 23 1888 Durham Haswell
WORSDALE, Elizabeth Boarder Widow F 58 1853 Mintgonery
EVANS, Thomas Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Castleyarn Wales

Thanks Ann, I have tried but as yet no joy. I haven't been able to discover much of the Evans family so far, maybe because it is such a popular name in Wales.

Thanks Tempest, I have that info.

Thanks for your help,

Russ

Thats interesting Tempest,

I had Thomas's wife as Ellen Rowe born c. 1885 which was from his service record from WWI but lists no son. Maybe I have been looking at the wrong Thomas? But this list him as living in Shooton Colliery which should be correct.

Does the 'wife Married 1 years' mean they were married just 1 year? Also Thomas jr. was born in Wales, I wonder if they have moved back there?

This is all very curious!

Thanks Tempest,

Russ

you're welcome

the 1911 census gives Elizabeth as border, it doesn't mention if she is related so she might not be Thomas' mother, although this might just be how he recorded it (you get all sorts of strange things on census returns)

On the original it does say that Thomas and Dorothy had been married 1 year and had 1 child born to marriage, presumably Thomas junior

are you certain you have the correct WW1 service record? or maybe Ellen was his second wife???

just been looking on the 1911 census again to see if I can find a Thomas Evans married to an Ellen in the Shotton Colliery area

does this tally with the service record you have?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: EVANS, Thomas
Address: 7 Queen St Shotton Colliery Castle Eden

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

EVANS, Thomas Head Married M 25 1886 Miner Coal Hewer Wingate Durham
EVANS, Ellen Wife Married 5 years F 22 1889 Sherburn Hill Durham
EVANS, Glady Daughter F 4 1907 Sholton Colliery Durham
EVANS, Pheobie Ann Daughter F 1 1910 Sholton Colliery Durham
EVANS, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Sholton Colliery Durham

Hello Tempest,

Yes that does tally exactly so it would seem I have been looking at the wrong Evans, I do know there were at least 2 Evans families in Shotton as I am indirectly related the the other. The Elizabeth/Border will be correct as she was born in Montgomeryshire not Mintgonery.

Thats really excellent progress but there appears to be no 'Castleyarn Wales' so it looks as if this also is a spelling error, maybe they meant 'Castle Eden'.

You have started me thinking, I started a thread some time ago looking for my gx2 grandfather Joshua Evans thinking he was born in Welshpool, circa 1850, I now wonder if he was born in Montgomery. Its funny how you start off down one route and end up flying off on all sorts of tangents!

Thanks again for your help Tempest,

Russ

Hi Russ

Glad to help, I've just looked at the original of the 1911 census page for Thomas Evans re his birth in "Castleyarn"

It originally said "Durham Wheatley Hill" this has been crossed out and in different handwriting ammended to "Castle y???? Wales"

would this be your Joshua Evans and family on the 1881 census?

Address: 16, Pickup St, Ince In Makerfield

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

EVANS, Joshua Head Married M 32 1849 Shunter L & N W Railway Welshpool Montgomeryshire Wales
EVANS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1851 Welshpool Montgomeryshire Wales
EVANS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Welshpool Montgomeryshire Wales
EVANS, Joseph Son Single M 4 1877 Ince Lancashire VIEW
EVANS, William Edward Son Single M 2 1879 Ince Lancashire

What is Joshua's father's name? Would be on his and Elizabeth's marriage certificate.

Hi Alex,

That is something I have been trying to find out for years. I cannot find any marriage certificate for Joshua and Elizabeth although I did find a marriage certificate for Elizabeths second marriage to Albert Worsdale. Her father is listed as David Evens with an 'e'. I also have Joshuas death certificate (he was run over by a locomotive) but no reference to his father...its got me stumped! His full name was Joshua Clarke Evans.

Russ

Hi Tempest,

Yes you are spot on with the 1881 census, that is my family, William Edward Evans is my great grandfather. I wonder if this isn't a misprint and young Thomas was born in Wales......in Castley??? I have googled the name but nothing is showing up.

Thanks again for all you efforts,

Russ

It might be worth perhaps trying to get hold of his employment records on the railway to find out what information you could find.

What was his date of death? I would imagine being run over by a train would have involved an inquest?

Hi Alex,

I have tried this road and contacted the LNWR Society, his death was registered on 11th November 1887 while employed as a Forman Railway Shunter for the London and North Western Railway.

The cause of death states that he (and he is down as just Joshua Evans) was 'accidentally injured by his foot being run over by a wagon on the London and North Western Railway at (and the next bit is difficult to read) (St?)orings ????ich in Ince-in-Makerfield on the 5th day of October 1887 so I presume he died of blood poisoning (the death cert is difficult to read).

I googled Mr Rowbottom, the coroner for my g g grandfather and annoyingly the newspaper reports begin from 1890, just 3 years after his death!!

So this avenue has proved a bit of a dead end at the moment, at least as far as discovering who his father was!

Thanks again Alex,

Russ

Did the LNWR society have any information on his employment records?

Not as such Alex, but they pointed me towards Kew and the accident reports. As yet I haven't been down (its a long way from Northumberland!) but hopefully a friend can help me out.

Cheers,

Russ