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I am still looking for the birth details of ELSIE GARDNER. She was born to ADA GARDNER in 1894 in BIRMINGHAM. There must be some Gardners somewhere, possibly in Leicestershire who remembers her. In 1911 she was living at the SWAN public house in NEWBOLD VERDON, with JesseGardner, and was entered on the census as his sister. I cannot find her in the BMDs

have you eliminated these entries?

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Gardner Elsie Birmingham 6d 142

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Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Gardner Elsie Birmingham 6d 30

Here she is in 1901. I know it would be a huge long shot but I can't find any record of her birth to Ada - could her mother be Lydia Edith but that would make her only 14 at time of the birth - not impossible!


Address Public House
Civil Parish Newbold Verdon
Rural District Market Bosworth
Town or Village or Hamlet Newbold Verdon
Ecclesiastical Parish Newbold Verdon St James
Parliamentary Borough or Division Western Or Bosworth
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Leicester
Householder 1
Name Elsie Gardner
Relation to Head of Family Grand Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwickshire Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Jesse Gardner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Lamp Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Warwickshire Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Joseph Gardner
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 58
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Publican
Employment Status
Where Born Worcester Barnet Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Lillian Gardner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwickshire Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Lydia Gardner
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 55
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwickshire Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Lydia Edith Gardner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 21
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Domestic Servant
Employment Status
Where Born Warwickshire Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name George Kendrick
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwickshire Birmingham
Language
Infirmity

1881 England Census
about Ada A Gardner
Name: Ada A Gardner
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Lydia
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 120 Farm St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Sch

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Gardner 38
Lydia Gardner 34
Fredk C Gardner 8
Emily J Gardner 7
Harry J Gardner 5
Ada A Gardner 3
Lydia E. Gardner 1


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here she is in 1901 with her grandparents. Jesse is down as son of the family so would be her uncle not brother
Name: Elsie Gardner
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Newbold Verdon
Ecclesiastical parish: Newbold Verdon St James
Town: Newbold Verdon
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:Main Street- Public House

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Market Bosworth
Sub-registration district: Market Bosworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Gardner 58 occ Publican
Lydia Gardner 55
Lydia Edith Gardner 21
Jesse Gardner 17
Lillian Gardner 12
Elsie Gardner 7
George Kendrick 3


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2965; Folio: 78; Page: 20

1901?
Name: Jessie Gardiner
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizebeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chalford, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Chalford
Ecclesiastical parish: France Lynch St John the Baptist
Town: France Lynch
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Name: Jessie Gardiner
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizebeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chalford, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Chalford
Ecclesiastical parish: France Lynch St John the Baptist
Town: France Lynch
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
Jessie Gardiner 32
Elizebeth Gardiner 31
Elsie Gardiner 6
Ada Gardiner 5
Edward Gardiner 3
Daisey Gardiner 9 months

Am i right, thinking Elsie was born illigetamately (oh i cant spell it) is she shared her mothers maiden name?

she could have been born in 1893 and would still be 7 at the 1901 census.
Name: Elsie Gardner
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 233