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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help? I am trying to find the ancestors of my husbands grandfather, born 1885 in Hartlepool. I have census entries from 1891 and 1901 where his father, Robert S was born in Scotland.c 1860 I am unsure where he was born in Scotland, and his parentage as I have been given conflicting info from 2 different people. I would be greatful for any help.
Julie

1881 - connected?
James GARDINER Head M Male 29 Middlesbro, York, England Butcher
Hannah GARDINER Wife M Female 26 Hartlepool, Durham, England
John J. GARDINER Son Male 3 Hartlepool, Durham, England
Robert W. GARDINER Son Male 1 Hartlepool, Durham, England
Emily TUCKER Sister In Law Female 13 Wiston, York, England Scholar
William SANDERSON Apprentice Male 18 Stockton, Durham, England Butchers Apprentice
Isabel MC ARTHUR Serv U Female 19 Scotland General Serv


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Source Information:
Dwelling 44 Northgate
Census Place Hartlepool, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342180
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4908 / 58
Page Number 26

I don't think this is the correct Gardner as I know for a fact that it was Robert Beckett Gardner (Gardener in the 1891 census) Please note i made a typo error in my original thread. Robert B was born in 1885 not 65 but I have now corrected it.

Just for backround:
1901 England Census
Robert S Gardner
Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maria gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Byker Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England
Street Address: 76 Bond Street Occupation: iron and steel ship plater
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Byker ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Household schedule number: 153
Robert S Gardner 41
Maria Gardner 39 Blyth Northumberland
Robert B Gardner 16 [Hartlepool East, Durham, England]
Herbert Gardner 15
William Gardner 14
Charles Gardner 11
Dora Gardner 7
Esther Gardner 5 Walker On Tyne, Northumberland
Margaret Gardner 4
May Gardner 2 Gateshead, Durham
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4792; Folio: 17; Page: 26.

Have you got Robert and Maria's marriage certificate for names of fathers?

This Robert??:
1881 England Census
Robert Gardner Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Stockton On Tees County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 117 Tilery Road occupation: Laborer Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Robert Gardner 61 Ireland
Sarah Gardner 62 Ireland
Robert Gardner 21 Scotland
George Thompson 10 visitor
Frances Thompson 6 visitor
Rachael Self 29 visitor
John Self 39 visitor
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4896; Folio: 158; Page: 48; GSU roll: 1342178.

Thanks for replying Pauline,

I'm unsure if this 1881 census record is the correct family or not. It is the one that I found but have since had contact with someone who said that Robert S' father was called James and his mother Jean and they came fron Dundee. I have found this family on the Scottish census and they did have a son Robert born 1860 but I have been unable to locate the Scottish BMD records to check on a birth record to see if he was Robert S.
I have also not got a marriage certificate for Robert and Maria yet as I live in Australia and have only recently discovered them as Robert Becketts parents. I will ask my sister in England to send away for it for me as soon as I can.

Julia

Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%)
Beckett Maria Hartlepool 10a 212
Gardner Robert Hartlepool 10a 212

You can order this online thru the GRO. The price includes postage world-wide. Your credit card will get billed 9.25 GBP, and Visa or whoever will convert it to $A at a mildly unfavourable rate.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/


I presume this is Robt B:

Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
GARDNER Robert Hartlepool 10a 165

One wonders if S stands for Robt S's mum's MS too.

Hi Julia - did Robert B have a father Robert S who married Maria Beckett in 1883 - they had 8 children Robert B (1885), William (1887), May (1899), Herbert (1886), Margaret (1897) Esther (1896), Dora (1894), Charles (1890).
The 1911 census shows Maria living as a visitor with a family called Christie and that the four boys were still living but the girls were shown as dead.
Esther was my Grandmother - if you think this family are the ones please get in touch.

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