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Hi
Have hit a wall re the above and would appreciate any help to trace her origins and ancestors. Many thanks Ann Smith (nee Leadbetter granddaughter.
Married James Leadbetter in 1918 Lived in Fleetwood after marriage. Then moved to Heysham, Lancashire with family - husband worked on railway at Port of Heysham. Died whilst living with daughter Isobel Stretch (nee Leadbetter 1920) Morecambe. Also had daughter Elsie (1924) son James (1926) my father.

I posted the wrong one!

Do you have the marriage certificate to confirm her Father's name and occupation?

1891 England Census
about Isabella Gardner
Name: Isabella Gardner
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Archibald Gardner <<Scotland
Mother's Name: Jemina Gardner<<<Scotland
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Gardner 29
Jemina Gardner 31
Robert Gardner 5
Isabella Gardner 3
Margaret Gardner 1

Ginny seems to have deleted I'll have a relook :)

Sorry Red....I posted the wrong census!

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There are several which could be her including this one in 1911. Which is why you need the details from the Marriage certificate.

Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Gardner Isabella Leadbetter Liverpool 8b 17
Leadbetter James Gardner Liverpool 8b 17
Leece Alice M Tiplady Liverpool 8b 17
Tiplady Charles O Leece Liverpool 8b 17

1911

GARDNER, Thimothy Head Married M 56 1855 Dock Labourer Liverpool VIEW
GARDNER, Isabella Wife Married
16 years F 48 1863 Rope Spinner Liverpool VIEW
GARDNER, Isabella Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Liverpool VIEW
GARDNER, William John Son Single M 11 1900 School Liverpool VIEW

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
North Everton Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Everton

Address:
146 Elias Street Everton Liverpool County:
Lancashire

1901 England Census
about Isabella Gardner
Name: Isabella Gardner
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Archibald Gardner <<Foreman Breadmaker
Mother's Name: Jemima Gardner
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Gardner 39
Jemima Gardner 40
Robert Gardner 15
Isabella Gardner 13
Maggie Gardner 11
Archibald Gardner 9
Jemima Gardner 5
Alexander Gardner 1

Don't worry GInny :)

Sorry I have absolutely nothing! Ann

Is this their marriage? (from Ginny's census)

Marriage Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Spouse's Surname Spouse's Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Region Reference Order On-line
GARDNER Archibald MAXWELL Jemima 1883 Toxteth Park, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool Lancashire REG_TP/3/169

It's probable that they are conformist eg Catholic. and had a registrar attend the ceremony. This is more likely then attending a Registrar office in those says.

It doesn't list the quarter, only the year. Perhaps someone can check the quarter?

OK Ann. Well before you can go any further you need to get the marriage cert. otherwise you may find yourself following the wrong line. I(t will cost £9.95 from the GRO and you can order online

Will this give me her mother and fathers name and address Astra?

is this the Isabella Gardner marriage you found in 1918?

Marriage Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Spouse's Surname Spouse's Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Region Reference Order On-line
GARDNER Isabella LEADBETTER James 1918 Liverpool, St. Bride With St. Saviour Liverpool Lancashire 2047LP/12/214

They married at St bride with St Saviour in Liverpool?

It will give you her Father's name and occupation but not her mother's name and it will give you the address she was living at when she married and the names of the witnesses to the ceremony who may also be family members. Every little bit of information helps to identify her family. This is the only way you can be sure that you are following the correct line. Every bit of research should be backed up with Birth and marriage certificates.

You can also get it from Liverpool Registration service which will have the original signatures on. I think it's slightly cheaper, I haven't ordered in a while but I think you have to provide the self addressed envelopes.


Alternatively, if you've got the time, a cheaper option If you're close to Liverpool you may be able to search through the parish records for that quarter at St Brides and St Saviours if the records are on microfilm. You can normally do this at the record office in the library but I think its closed for renovation. The microfilm records MAY be at the museum now (if all has gone to plan) or if they haven't been put on microfilm you can sometimes see the original parish registers in the archives which is now somewhere close to town - Sandhills I think?

Yes thats the same marriage info I have and seems to fit.
Will apply for the marriage certificate - am a bit of a 'newbee' at this but learning daily! Cant believe how quickly you can get the info.
Thanks again
Ann

Leece Alice M Tiplady Liverpool 8b 17
Tiplady Charles O Leece Liverpool 8b 17
This was on the information of marriage - are the witnesses?
Does it refer to 2 people or 4 - help!
Ann

Hello Ann,

Some Lancashire birth/death and marriage indexes for free are on Lancashire BMD. (not every year or every area so you have to check):

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

I think you can get most indexes on Ancestry but there's a subscription fee. You can view the census records there too,

Some of their birth/marriage/death index data comes from Free BMD:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

which is free but not completely finished yet (but it's getting there)

Leece Alice M Tiplady Liverpool 8b 17
Tiplady Charles O Leece Liverpool 8b 17
This was on the information of marriage - are the witnesses?
Does it refer to 2 people or 4 - help!

It means Alice M Leece married Charles O Tiplady in 1918.

Lancashire bmd says this:

Marriage Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Spouse's Surname Spouse's Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Region Reference Order On-line
LEECE Alice M TIPLADY Charles O 1918 Liverpool, St. Bride With St. Saviour Liverpool Lancashire 2047LP/12/213

which tells you that they married at St Bride and St Saviour in Liverpool.

You'd need to see the marriage to see the witnesses. Sometimes witnesses can be family or friends however sometimes witnesses can be strangers. I've seen witnesses on a few parish registers on nearly every record which shows that they didn't really know those getting married.