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Green/Fitzgerald/Fenn

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Ruth

Ruth Report 5 Nov 2010 23:24

This is a poser. My maternal grandmother habitually lied as did her mother in law, but facts: my mother was born to Ivy Holly Green (aged 23) and Arthur George Fenn in 1913. They were married in 1912 in Coventry. In 1914 she had a son Douglas who died a month old. In 1920 she had another son Peter but called herself Yvonne Fitzgerald Fenn on the b/c. The marriage broke down at that point. In 1922 she married again to Oswald Richardson, her age have only increased to 24! She also claimed to be a spinster. On her m/cs her father is stated as William Green, an Anglican clergyman (deceased). I have no further information about her past. She died as Yvonne Richardson in 1942. Am really keen to learn something about her. She was always referred to as being Irish, but whether originally or not I have no idea.

Many thanks, Ruth

patchem

patchem Report 6 Nov 2010 00:04

So, for background:
Marriages Mar 1912
Fenn Arthur G Green Coventry 6d 597
Green Ivy Fenn Coventry 6d 597

And dodgy death age on certificate;
Yvonne F Richardson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 43
Registration district: Aylesbury
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a Page: 1429


Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 Nov 2010 02:39

It looks like she was Ivy Holly Fenn when husband Arthur divorced her:

J Records of the Supreme Court of Judicature and related courts

Division within J Records of the Family Division and predecessors


J 77 Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later Supreme Court of Judicature: Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Files


J 77/1364


Record Summary

Scope and content Divorce Court File: 1780. Appellant: Arthur George Fenn. Respondent: Ivy Holly Fenn. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd].

Covering dates 1918
Held by The National Archives, Kew

Legal status Public Record(s)
Language English

Found at :

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 6 Nov 2010 02:45

Who were the witnesses to the marriages? What about the address listed on the 1912 marriage? Have you searched for that in 1911?

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 6 Nov 2010 02:49

Calls herself Greene in 1920:

Births Mar 1920
Fenn Peter T Greene London C. 1c 17

Rose

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 Nov 2010 02:49

Using names Fitzgerald and Fenn when marrying Oswald Richardson:

RICHARDSON Oswald E Fitzgerald Kensington 1a 464 AMJ 1922.
RICHARDSON Oswald E Fenn Kensington 1a 464 AMJ 1922.

FENN Yvonne Richardson Kensington 1a 464 AMJ 1922
Fitzgerald Fenn Yvonne Richardson Kensington 1a 464 AMJ 1922

is there a chance she was born a Fitzgerald (sounds Irish) then her mother married or remarried to William Green, and she used her stepfather's name some of the time?

Or Fitzgerald might have been the stepfather if William Green is given as her father.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 Nov 2010 03:12

Might it be possible to try and source something like Crockford's Clerical Directory to see if there were many clergymen named William Green in the right period to be Ivy's father?

I don't know if any genealogical sites include past editions in their resources.


Edit: Ancestry has a selection, but William Green is unfortunately too common a name for it to be of any use.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 Nov 2010 08:43

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
Fenn Douglas 0 London C. 1c 15

Ruth

Ruth Report 8 Nov 2010 17:05

Thanks for all comments, really appreciated. I have all the certs re Ivy from 1912 marriage on. It is her origin that is the puzzle now.
I have searched in Crockfords at Lambeth Palace library but have not found a Rev. W Green (either in England or Ireland) who was of the right age to be her father and was dead by m/c 1912.
I am a parson's daughter and recognise that the use of the term 'Clerk in Holy Orders' for her father's profession in her second m/c is a term unlikely to be used by someone other than a cleric's family, so feel he probably was a clergyman.

The Divorce attempt by my Gfather A G Fenn in 1918, was disallowed by the Court for lack of evidence. I assume this was why she used another name to remarry. Trouble is Fitzgerald is almost as difficult as Green. I have pages of b/cs for Ivy Greens but no real idea of her age or whereabouts she came from. A photo taken when pregnant with Douglas (b & d 1914/15) she looks in her 20s so age at marriage in 1912 probably correct.
Ruth

Ruth

Ruth Report 8 Nov 2010 17:11

Unfortunately the address in 1912 seems to be a lodging house and they don't appear to br there in 1911 census. He was working with BSA at the time, I will try and see if their records can assist. Interestingly I found an Ivy Green from a family in Foleshill village (but that is not really close to Foleshill Road which is in Coventry) and other details don't match. If I live long enough I may find her with a place of birth in the 1921 returns! Ruth