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Please does anyone have the parish records for the Westminster area of London? I have an Emma Green age 4 on the 1841 census born Westminster and an Emma Green married to John Holland Q.E. Dec 1862 Westminster. I would like to know if the baptism and marriage appear in the parish records there to establish if they are the same person and confirm her parentage.
Can anyone help please?

Who is Emma living with in 1841 ?

She is living with James and Mary Green age 30, Mary age 7 and James age 1at Bell St St John the Evangelist Westminster

How do you know she was born in Westminster ?

There's this one on familysearch

EMMA GREEN--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 02 MAR 1837

Christening: 26 MAR 1837 Isleworth, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES GREEN
Mother: MARY

Is this Emma ?

Household: 1881

Emma HOLLAND Head W Female 44 Enfield, Middlesex, England Laundress
James HOLLAND Son U Male 20 Belfast, Ireland General Labourer
Albert HOLLAND Son U Male 15 Enfield, Middlesex, England General Labourer
Betty HOLLAND Daur Female 10 Enfield, Middlesex, England Scholar
William HOLLAND Son Male 7 Enfield, Middlesex, England Scholar
Florence WILSON Visitor Female 10 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
William WAITE Visitor Male 7 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Mary DYSON Visitor Female 6 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
George MACGREGOR Lodger Male 40 N K Bricklayer

Dwelling 12 Haychurch Villas Lower Gordon Rd
Census Place Enfield, Middlesex, England
...............................................


EDIT :
This Emma married James not John
Here's son Albert


ALBERT HOLLAND -----------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 03 MAY 1865

Christening: 02 JUL 1865 Saint Andrew, Enfield, London, England

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Parents:
Father: JAMES HOLLAND
Mother: EMMA

The marriage you mentioned is for Emma MARIA Green

Marriages Dec 1862 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fanshawe Margaret Jessie Watson Westminster 1a 589
Green Emma Maria Westminster 1a 589
Hill Alfred William Westminster 1a 589
Holland John Westminster 1a 589

There is a baptism 26 Jul 1837 but the mother is Ellen. I'll look again later.

My Emma says she was born Westminster on the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census. She was in Ireland for the 1871 and 1881 ones. I had seen the one on Familysearch and of course it is a possible match but I have seen another Emma Green of about the right age who could also be the child born Isleworth. I cannot find a marriage to great grandfather but she may have married in Ireland but there is this earlier marriage to John Holland and family recollections mention a name of Holland. I am planning to send for the marriage cert but I thought if anyone had an indexed CD of parish records for the Westminster area I could kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

I don't think the one on the 81 census is the right one as my Emma has two children living with her on the 1901 census both born Ireland age 32 and 20 which makes me say she was in Ireland for the 1871 and 1881 census

Have you found her in 1851?

The James and Mary that I can see in 1851 are with Mary Ann age 17, James 11, Albert 9, Charlotte 5 in Bell Street, Westminster, and James is a musician. This is the same address where you found them in 1841.

Emma Green

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 13 Jan 1837
residence: London, England
parents: George Green, Hannah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Emma Green
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 10 Sep 1837
baptism/christening place: CHRIST CHURCH,SOUTHWARK,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 13 Jan 1837
father's name: George Green
mother's name: Hannah
indexing project (batch) number: C02070-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 307687


Emma Green

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 16 Aug 1837
residence: London, England
parents: James Green, Elizabeth

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Emma Green
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 Sep 1837
baptism/christening place: CHRIST CHURCH,SOUTHWARK,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 16 Aug 1837
father's name: James Green
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C02070-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 307687


Emma Grace Green

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 08 Dec 1837
residence: London, England
parents: George Green, Mary Caroline

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Emma Grace Green
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Mar 1838
baptism/christening place: SAINT LUKE OLD STREET,FINSBURY,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 08 Dec 1837
father's name: George Green
mother's name: Mary Caroline
indexing project (batch) number: C02069-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 585445


Emma Green

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 02 Mar 1837
residence: London, England
parents: James Green, Mary

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Emma Green
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 26 Mar 1837
baptism/christening place: ISLEWORTH,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 02 Mar 1837
father's name: James Green
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C04226-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 597917


Emma Green

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1837 — Whitechapel, London
residence: Camberwell, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Emma Green
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 64
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Whitechapel, London
record type: Household
registration district: Camberwell
sub-district: Camberwell
ecclesiastical parish: St John The Evangelist
civil parish: Camberwell
county: Camberwell, Camberwell, Camberwell, London, Middlesex


Emma M Green

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1837 — Peckham, London
residence:

the only one who looks a possible is at school as a pupil in Brighton which doesn't really fit.

Thanks Ann for the info. I am off to bed now. Perhaps to morrow someone who has the Westminster records may come up with something that isn't on the internet. It really is a problem that she was in Ireland for so many years. On the 1911 census she says she has seven children but there were only four with greatgrandfather [that I know of] so I suspect that the others were with a Holland husband but whether they were in ENgland or Ireland I don't know.

Emma Green

England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: St Westminster, Regent

record title: England and Wales Census, 1851
name: Emma Green
age: 14
gender: F
birthplace: St Westminster, Regent
relationship to head of household: Servant
record type: Household

I am searching baptismal records for Westminster which are in the ancestry site but have not found them yet. I shall keep trying.

The only one I can find in 1851 born in the right area is age 14, a servant at 39, New Square, Saint Andrew The Great, Cambridge

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
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WEBB, Thomas Walter Head Married M 38 1813 Solicitors Managing Clerk Near Bristol Brislington
WEBB, Maria Wife Married F 41 1810 St Briavels Gloucestershire
WEBB, Thomas Walter Son M 16 1835 Bristol Redcliff
WEBB, Thomas Racker Son M 7 1844 Bristol St Pauls
GREEN, Emma Servant Unmarried F 14 1837 General Servant Regent St
Westminster

Thank you both. That is far more likely for Emma than at a school. Now all I need is someone to come up with a marriage and baptism at a Westminster Church. In the meantime maybe the marriage cert will turn up and we can get her father from that.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emma Green
Name: Emma Green
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 26 Jul 1837
Father's Name: James Green
Mother's Name: Ellen Falvey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster

(a possible?. image says illegitimate dau. of Ellen Falvey, 52 Seymour Place, fathers occ. Carpenter, mother, single woman. Born 30 Nov. 1835)

Chris :)

or this other one...

Name: Emily Eliza Green
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1838
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1838
Father's Name: Thomas Green
Mother's Name: Charlotte Green
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St John the Evangelist
Borough: Westminster

(born 4th Oct. 1838, fathers occ. Cooper, 16 Market St.)


(the London Baptism collection on Ancestry isn't complete)...

Chris Thank you very much. On the wedding I picked up on BMD she is shown as Emma Maria Green so I don't think that Emily Eliza is the one but the other one could well be her.