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14 Feb 2009 14:12 |
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I'm trying to make sense of the information I have on this lady, my gr grandmother. She is listed in the 1891 census with her husband Arthur (31) and children as being 26 years old (with her eldest aged 8). This is impossible as I have her mariage cert for 1882 when she is shown as being 26 to her husband's 28. Her father is James, a bricklayer. I've had the dickens of a problem tracing her anyway: she is shown in 1891 as being born in St Stephens, which I have established as being in the St Albans district.The only other trace I found of her was aged 14, staying with her sister in Billericay in 1871 - she married in Billericay. Tracing the sister, also born St Stephens, I found the right father plus the whole family. I eventually found her with the family listed as Martha C, aged 4, in 1861 and, indeed her birth is registered as Martha Charlotte. However all other records have her as Charlotte. Her grandaughters knew of her as Charlotte (she died aged 39 so they never knew her). 1881 census has parents living alone, father bricklayer as per marriage cert. Am I going crazy? I've been thrown all over again by the 1891 census and this loss of her first name. I can't find any other records for another Charlotte with a bricklayer father called James. HELP! Heather
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14 Feb 2009 14:23 |
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for ref:
1861 England Census about Martha C Hall Name: Martha C Hall Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: St Stephens, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Alban St Stephen Ecclesiastical parish: Frogmore Holy Trinity County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: St Albans Sub registration district: St Albans ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 34 Household Members: Name Age James Hall 47 Mary Hall 41 Emily Hall 21 Arthur Hall 15 George Hall 12 Sarah Jane Hall 9 Alfred J Hall 7 Martha C Hall 4 View Original Record
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14 Feb 2009 14:42 |
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1871 England Census about James Hall Name: James Hall Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: St. Stephens, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Stephen Ecclesiastical parish: Frogmore Town: Park Street County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: St Albans Sub registration district: St Albans ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 93 Household Members: Name Age James Hall 57 Mary Hall 57 George Hall 22 Jane Hall 20 Alfred Hall 17 View Original Record
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14 Feb 2009 14:43 |
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1881 England Census about James Hall Name: James Hall Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: St Stephens, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Albans St Stephen County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address: Park Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Bricklayers Lab Registration district: St Albans Sub registration district: St Albans ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Hall 68 Mary Hall 61 View Original Record
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14 Feb 2009 14:49 |
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1891 England Census about Charlotte Markham Name: Charlotte Markham Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Arthur Gender: Female Where born: St Stephan's, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Edmonton Ecclesiastical parish: New Southgate St Paul Town: New Southgate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Edmonton Sub registration district: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur Markham 26 Charlotte Markham 31 Lilian M Markham 8 Arthur E Markham 6 Horace W Markham 5 View Original Record
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14 Feb 2009 14:50 |
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Charlotte is listed as being 31, not Arthur. Actually on the image I think she may be 34 which would roughly tie in with her birth of 1856.
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14 Feb 2009 14:59 |
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Actually, on this 1881 census for Arthur Markham, he is down as being born in 1855 as he is 28 here. He should probably be down as 38 on the 1891 census. This would then tie in with your marriage cert details.
1881 England Census about Arthur Markham Name: Arthur Markham Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Marys Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 9 Brandon Rd Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Wheelwright Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James G. Markham 28 Arthur Markham 26 View Original Record
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14 Feb 2009 15:06 |
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This may be a possible for Charlotte in 1881:
1881 England Census about Charlotte Hall Name: Charlotte Hall Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: St Albans Civil Parish: Hampstead County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 Elsworthy Terrace Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Serv Registration district: Hampstead Sub registration district: Hampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Fredrick Kinnard 35 Hellen Kinnard 25 Cecil Kinnard 4 Anne Kinnard 75 Charlotte Hall 24 Elizabeth Amor 16 View Original Record
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15 Feb 2009 14:22 |
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Thank you everyone. It looks as if the mistakes on age are with the censuses, as seems to have been common. The rest of the evidence stacks up well. Case closed I think
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