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[Martha] CharlotteHall 1856

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Heather

Heather Report 14 Feb 2009 14:12

I'm trying to make sense of the information I have on this lady, my gr grandmother. She is listed in the 1891 census with her husband Arthur (31) and children as being 26 years old (with her eldest aged 8). This is impossible as I have her mariage cert for 1882 when she is shown as being 26 to her husband's 28. Her father is James, a bricklayer.
I've had the dickens of a problem tracing her anyway: she is shown in 1891 as being born in St Stephens, which I have established as being in the St Albans district.The only other trace I found of her was aged 14, staying with her sister in Billericay in 1871 - she married in Billericay. Tracing the sister, also born St Stephens, I found the right father plus the whole family. I eventually found her with the family listed as Martha C, aged 4, in 1861 and, indeed her birth is registered as Martha Charlotte. However all other records have her as Charlotte. Her grandaughters knew of her as Charlotte (she died aged 39 so they never knew her). 1881 census has parents living alone, father bricklayer as per marriage cert.
Am I going crazy? I've been thrown all over again by the 1891 census and this loss of her first name. I can't find any other records for another Charlotte with a bricklayer father called James. HELP!
Heather

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 14 Feb 2009 14:23

for ref:


1861 England Census
about Martha C Hall
Name: Martha C Hall
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: St Stephens, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Alban St Stephen
Ecclesiastical parish: Frogmore Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: St Albans
Sub registration district: St Albans
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
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Household schedule number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hall 47
Mary Hall 41
Emily Hall 21
Arthur Hall 15
George Hall 12
Sarah Jane Hall 9
Alfred J Hall 7
Martha C Hall 4

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1871 England Census
about James Hall
Name: James Hall
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Stephens, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Stephen
Ecclesiastical parish: Frogmore
Town: Park Street
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: St Albans
Sub registration district: St Albans
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hall 57
Mary Hall 57
George Hall 22
Jane Hall 20
Alfred Hall 17

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1881 England Census
about James Hall
Name: James Hall
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Stephens, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Albans St Stephen
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address: Park Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Bricklayers Lab

Registration district: St Albans
Sub registration district: St Albans
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
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Household Members:
Name Age
James Hall 68
Mary Hall 61

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 14 Feb 2009 14:49


1891 England Census
about Charlotte Markham
Name: Charlotte Markham
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Arthur
Gender: Female
Where born: St Stephan's, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: New Southgate St Paul
Town: New Southgate
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
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Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Markham 26
Charlotte Markham 31
Lilian M Markham 8
Arthur E Markham 6
Horace W Markham 5

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 14 Feb 2009 14:50

Charlotte is listed as being 31, not Arthur. Actually on the image I think she may be 34 which would roughly tie in with her birth of 1856.

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 14 Feb 2009 14:59

Actually, on this 1881 census for Arthur Markham, he is down as being born in 1855 as he is 28 here. He should probably be down as 38 on the 1891 census. This would then tie in with your marriage cert details.


1881 England Census
about Arthur Markham
Name: Arthur Markham
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Marys Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 9 Brandon Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Wheelwright

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
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Household Members:
Name Age
James G. Markham 28
Arthur Markham 26

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 14 Feb 2009 15:06

This may be a possible for Charlotte in 1881:


1881 England Census
about Charlotte Hall
Name: Charlotte Hall
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: St Albans

Civil Parish: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 13 Elsworthy Terrace
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Serv

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredrick Kinnard 35
Hellen Kinnard 25
Cecil Kinnard 4
Anne Kinnard 75
Charlotte Hall 24
Elizabeth Amor 16

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Heather

Heather Report 15 Feb 2009 14:22

Thank you everyone. It looks as if the mistakes on age are with the censuses, as seems to have been common. The rest of the evidence stacks up well. Case closed I think