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Hi, Eliza Elizabeth Harris DOB 1846 Tooting Surrey, Married John Edward Brockwell in1868 April Wandsworth. Died 1923 Dartford Kent. Father is named George Harris a Labourer on their marriage records. Want to find her Mothers name? If anyone can help. Much appreciated. Kathy

For ref ONLY - 1881 census

Name: Eliza Brockwell
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 12 Bowmans Cottages (Garratt)
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Brockwell 37
Eliza Brockwell 34
Harriet Brockwell 14
John Brockwell 12
Eliza Brockwell 9
Martha Brockwell 6
Henry Brockwell 5
Maude Brockwell 3
Emma Brockwell

Is the DOB you have from a census? It may be inaccurate.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

An Eliza Elizabeth Harris was born in 1844 in Bethnal Green. (I'll let you do the search, as learning how to use FreeBMD is one of the most important and fun things in this game!)

The birth certificate will confirm whether her father was George, and if so who her mother was.

Two possibles in 1861.

This is the Eliza born in Bethnal Green in 1844, in Bethnal Green:

Josh Evans 30 - chandler
Eliza Harris 17 - stepdaughter
Louisa Harris 15
Emma Harris 13
Ann Roberts 26
Jane Evans 6
Louisa Roberts 1
Amelia Faber 21

with the Harris grandparents born next door. She seems unlikely.


The other looks like your Eliza:

Name: Eliza Harris
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Harriett C
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth

George Harris 57 - agricultural labourer
Harriett C Harris 49
John Harris 16
Eliza Harris 13
Henry Harris 11
Emily Harris 8



The index has the birth of an Eliza in Wandsworth in 1848. There are also an Emily born in Wandsworth in 1853, a Henry born in 1850, etc. I'd bet on that birth, and get the certificate to find Harriet's name, since the marriage may have been before 1837.

Charles Stephen GREGORY (AFN:218V-8T3) Pedigree

Born: 30 Jul 1851 Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Died: 30 May 1905 Place: Streatham, Surrey, England
Married: 26 Jan 1873 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Father: William GREGORY (AFN:218V-94W) Family
Mother: Louisa WOODS (AFN:218V-954)

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Wife's Name
Emily HARRIS (AFN:218V-8V9) Pedigree

Born: 15 Jul 1853 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Died: 31 Dec 1937 Place: Vancouver, British Columbia
Married: 26 Jan 1873 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Father: George HARRIS (AFN:218V-9B5) Family
Mother: Harriet Caroline Bray GLUE (AFN:218V-9CC)
could this be emily the sister michelle

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Husband's Name
George HARRIS (AFN:218V-9B5) Pedigree

Born: Abt. 1800 Place:
Married: 15 Jan 1831 Place: Rogate, Sussex, England

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Harriet Caroline Bray GLUE (AFN:218V-9CC) Pedigree

Born: 1804 Place:
Christened: 7 Oct 1804 Place: Up Marden, Sussex, England
Died: 1895 Place:
Married: 15 Jan 1831 Place: Rogate, Sussex, England

Father: Edward GLUE (AFN:218V-9DK) Family
Mother: Susanna (AFN:218V-9FR)

Thank you Freewheel I already had this census. Kathy

That's why Freewheel said "for ref" (ONLY), Kathy -- you had it, but nobody else did, so Freewheel saved everyone else the time of looking up details.

Speaking of details, I trust you have read everything Michele has provided ...

Kathy,
lf the info lve sent on emily elizas sister is correct, emily had lots of children would you like that info to regards michelle

Janey, Thank you for the information. The birth date I had was from the census. I did look in Roots but I guess I didn't widen the birth gap so did not come up with anything. Thanks Kathy

I'm still trying to take it all in, I guess I'm a bit slow when it comes to the genealogy bit Ha Ha still a newbe. I really do appreciate all the help everyone is trying to give me. Kathy

M John GREGORY (AFN:218V-8WH) Pedigree

Born: 1874 Place: Croydon, Surrey, England

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2. Sex Name
F Agnes Louisa GREGORY (AFN:218V-903) Pedigree

Born: 1878 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

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3. Sex Name
M Frederick Charles GREGORY (AFN:218V-8ZW) Pedigree

Born: 1876 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

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4. Sex Name
M Harry GREGORY (AFN:218V-92H) Pedigree

Born: 1888 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

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5. Sex Name
M Alfred James GREGORY (AFN:218V-919) Pedigree

Born: 1886 Place: Croydon, Surrey, England
Died: 1926 Place: Vancouver, British Columbia

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6. Sex Name
F Emily Caroline GREGORY (AFN:218V-8XP) Pedigree

Born: 14 Feb 1875 Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

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7. Sex Name
F Nellie Eliza GREGORY (AFN:218V-93P) Pedigree

Born: 3 Jul 1892 Place: Croydon, Surrey, England

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8. Sex Name
F Beatrice May GREGORY (AFN:218V-84Q) Pedigree

Born: 28 Dec 1896 Place: Tooting, Surrey, England
Died: 24 Apr 1993 Place: Edmonton, Alberta
Kathy emily's children

Michele, Thank you that would be great. I am going to be sending off for the birth records. I live in the US so it usually take 3 weeks to get them. Kathy

kathy,
Do you understand the information l sent you on the harris family regards michelle x

Michelle,
Yes I think so I just looked it up on roots so now it makes sense. My question is. When you first put in a name in Roots and you really do not have much info on that person. How do you know which one is the one you are looking for if the birth dates on the census are so off? Help! Kathy

Kathy, read the info Michele posted, not what I posted, for instance.

I don't have access to the deluxe UK info at Ancestry that Michele has. I was using FreeBMD and just searched for all Harris births in Wandsworth in that time period, and could see that the family in question was all there.

Michele has given you the actual details from the birth registrations -- including both parents' names. Have a read through her posts again and you'll see they've got everything you could want! That info confirms that the births I looked at, at FreeBMD, are indeed yours.

The only way to know which birth is the right one has always been to order the birth certificate blind. Now, the actual info is becoming available on line, and that will save some of the blind flailing about in the records. ;)

Kathy,
Do you have the birth indexes for eliza and siblings, when lm searching for b/c l always search a couple of yrs before and after census dates. lve had lots of census where the ages dont add up regards michelle x

Hi,
I have been gone all day today so sorry for getting back with you so late. I am not sure what you are asking me Michelle. I have all the birth dates for John Brockwell and Eliza's, children I painstakingly looked them up on the GRO records on Genes. I assume they are right. One of the son's John Edward born 1870 May 26th he is my grandfather. I really appreciate all the help. Kathy

Hi Michelle, I have had a cup of tea and reread your question, duh, I'm thick! you mean bothers and sisters of Eliza. I just have the ones that Janey put on there John Harris 16, Eliza 13 Henry 11 and Emily 8. Which states Eliza's estimated dob was 1848. I assume she got it on the 1861 census. I have not been able to locate this yet. Kathy

Hi Kathy,
Sorry its a bit late, l will take a look for you now and l will let you know what l find. regards michelle x
These are the ones lve found,
John sept 1845 4 542
Eliza jun 1848 4 577
henry dec 1850 4 606
emily sept 1853 1d 366
hope this helps let me know how you get on with all the info l sent you best wishes michelle.x all wandsworth area