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Dee, I'll just go ahead and do the copy job from your PMs that I suggested. ;)


Hi Evie

Thanks for your response and assistance.

I have no idea who David Gardiner was, if he even existed. He did not appear on the "birth cert" (not sure whether it is a proper document, my relative obtained it through Scottish People). No father's name was given.

Catherine also had another daughter named Ann Jean Urquart, on her marriage certificate father's name was given as William Urquart. Annie was born c1897 in Perth.


The 1901 entries do sound promising, although Annie does not show up in this entry. Also John's middle name was not W... not to say that it isn't the same one though, changes were often made. What do you think Evie.

Thanks again Evie for your assistance; I am not familiar with Scottish research and feel a bit out of my depth, so I am grateful for any input.



What you got from scotlandspeople would be "official". The censuses are at Ancestry. Other than those two sources, I'm not familiar with it either. ;)

Did your Catherine ever marry? Her parents' names would be in that record, to confirm whether that 1901 household is the right one.

Is this the David Gardiner in question, in 1901?

Name: David Gardiner
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Jane Hendry
Where born: Tibbermore, Perthshire
Civil Parish: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: 8 Rosario Terrace Jeanfield
Occupation: Cleaners Folder Dyeworks


... Dee??

That's presumably the right household. In 1881, Alex Caddel's details are:

Address: Coilvoulin Farm House
Occupation: Farmer (Of 76 Acres Of Which 68 Arable Employing 2 Men And 3 Women)

But other than the John Caddel born abt 1834, I'm not seeing a John. Is he the one? If so, we would likely be looking at a rather nasty case of exploitation. In 1897, he would have been over 60, and Catherine only 15 or so.

And now this John Cadell, whom I can't find in 1891 or 1901.

There is this household in 1891:

Name: John Caddel
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relationship: Brother
Occupation: Farmer's Brother

Civil Parish: Moulin
County: Perthshire
Address: Coilvoulan

Alex Caddel 63
John Caddel 57
Jean Caddel 49
Jean McRaw 45
Jane McKenzie 16
Alex Ritchie 20
Isabela McDiarmid 17

No match comes up on a search for 119 South in Perth in 1901.

Yes, McDonald was going to be my next guess. ;)

1901:

Name: John W McDonald
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relationship: Great Grandchild (Grandchild)
Where born: Perth, Perthshire

Name: Catherine McDonald
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Mother's Name: Agnes
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Occupation: Ink Worker

Address: 90 South St

Agnes McDonald 46
Lizzie McDonald 27
Agnes McDonald 22
Catherine McDonald 19
Mabel M McDonald 8
Peter W McDonald 5
John W McDonald 3
William M McDonald 10 mos

I can't identify Catherine and John in the 1901 census.

Can you provide any more details -- her date and place of birth, her parents' names, had she married by 1901?

No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract
1 1898 MCDONALD JOHN CADDELL M PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0465 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Note spelling Caddell and McDonald!!!!!!!!!
On Scotlands People also sent you a PM too.

I'm no more familiar, so I can only ask questions. ;)

Do you know who David Gardiner was?

Have you found Catherine in censuses, possibly in the Cadell household or nearby?

In my own experience, a middle name standing for the father's surname is common. My gr-grmother was a domestic servant and her first child, born in 1890 before the mother's marriage, had a middle name that we understood to be the surname of the household where the mother was employed (whether she was the child of the head of household or a son, we were never sure).

Hi

I am experiencing difficulties researching John Cadell MacDonald, born 6/7/1898 at 119 South Street, Perth.
Mother Catherine MacDonald.

Although father's name was given on marriage certificate as David Gardiner, I suspect that it was not the case; I believe that his father was John Cadell as it was rumoured that Catherine was a servant for the Cadell family who were farmers.

As I am not familiar with researching Scottish ancestors, I would be grateful for any assistance or advice here, as it is a bit of a brick wall.

Thanks

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