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Trying to find out what happen to two brothers William Frans Johanson AKA as Frank Johnson b 1902 Redruth Cornwall and his brother Frederick Oscar Johanson AKA as Freddy Johnson b 1904 Redruth both left Cornwall in their teens one went up North and one I believe went to London. One had a son Bobby who was in the Police Force in London. They would have been my great uncles.

I don't see their births under those names in the GRO index (or under any surname starting Johan).

Have you found the registration details at FreeBMD?

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Hi Janey, All I have got is Frederick Oscar Johnson b 1904 p174 5c
William Frans Johnson b 1902 p180 5c
They had siblings Hilda,Claude, and Edgar and I know what happened to them I just don't know where to look next for these two brothers. Maybe someone will read this and remember them Thanks

Is this possibly their father in 1901?

Name: Frans Johanson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Swe Foreign Subject
Civil parish: Redruth

marriage:

Name: Frans Johanson
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Redruth (To 1974)
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 407


Just for context.

Ah ... so their official name wasn't in fact Johanson.

The likelihood of anybody who reads this remembering them is slim leaning heavily to nil. You have searched trees here (under all possible names)?

But sometimes others of us can hunt info down! Starting with complete accurate info helps. ;)

Actually, what to do next is get their birth certificates.

After about 1970, the deceased's exact date of birth is recorded in the deaths index, and it can be searched that way at Ancestry. This can sometimes be key to finding a death, and the death certificate can then point to other family members.

Here's Freddy's death.

Name: Frederick Oscar Johnson
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1904
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Carlisle
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 158

There are 3 Frederick O Johnson marriages 1920-1940. Camberwell 1927, Birmingham 1936, Camberwell 1937 (possibly a remarriage?). Only a marriage certificate would show a match with your Freddy's father's name.


For Frank's death, you need his DOB, to try to match with a death of one of the many Frank, William Frank and other possible Johnsons born 1902.

Thanks I think that is Freddy , because he worked in a zoo at Chester one time which I believe is not far from Carlisle.Thanks for everything. I knew about Frans Johanson and can trace his wife Mary Jenkins ancestry back in Cornwall. Frans's father on the marriage certificate was named as Karl Johanson dec'd Mariner Merchant Service but that is all I know. Thank you from David in Cornwall

You're welcome, David.

I posted the info about Frans because you have all the context, but we don't, and you never know what could help. For instance, it could help find them on the 1911 census, to see what names they were using, but I skipped that step.

If you do get

- the boys' birth certificates - this could help find Frank's death

- Freddy's death certificate - it could give a family member's name

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

If you do that, just bring the info back to this thread if you want more help!