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Please can anyone help me as to where I could find the death details of Frank Ernest Johnson.So far no luck searching the county archives. I have a marriage certificate dated 1909 on which Franks age is stated as being 22 (no birth certificate to back this up). If he served in the first World War (and I dont know that he did) and was killed, does anyone know if the death would be registered in the normal archives. He was the son of Charles Johnson and born possibly in Hull or surrounding areas in Yorkshire. Many thanks.

War deaths outside the UK won't show in the GRO index.

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14

Commonwealth War Graves Commission lists war dead -- but common names beware, the search function is dreadful!

Also, many entries don't have personal information. For instance, this one:

JOHNSON , F E Sapper 41465 13/10/1916 Unknown Royal Engineers United Kingdom V. E. 7. WARLENCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY

Others have full names, ages, and next of kin in the full record.

I don't see a Frank Ernest.

1901 England Census
about Frank E Johnson
Name: Frank E Johnson
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles [gardeners lab]
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: Newington St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Hessle
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Johnson 70
Charlotte Johnson 49
Walter Johnson 21
Francis L Johnson 19
Florence E Johnson 17
Frank E Johnson 13



this frank?????

And this Frank?

Marriages Dec 1909
BARTHOLOMEW Mary Ann
JOHNSON Frank Ernest Sculcoates 9d 319
MOORE John William Sculcoates 9d 319
WAGNER Adeline Sculcoates 9d 319


To which woman? Have you searched at FreeBMD for / do you know of children?

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl


And the 1911 census:

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx


But without knowing his wife's name, we can't do either search.


edit -

Births Jun 1918 ?
Johnson William T Wagner Sculcoates 9d 358

Janey Canuck - many thanks for your help. I don't know if he served in the war but in the absence of any other info it was just a guess. He married Adeline Wagner in 1909 - this is the copy marriage certificate I have managed to get.

Tania - thanks for your help. Yes this looks like the right Frank! So if he was 13 in 1901, the age of 22 on the marriage cert in 1909 would be about right as well.

1911

JOHNSON FRANK 1887 24 Patrington Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
JOHNSON ADELINE 1887 24
JOHNSON GERTRUDE KATHLEEN 1911 2 MONTHS

Crossed in the post -- you're welcome. ;)

Long gap between kids. And the one born 1918 could have been posthumous for Frank, if he was killed in the war.

The FEJ I noted who has no details died in 1916.

It was not unknown for widows (or women whose husbands were at the front, or whose war status was unknown) to have children with someone else and register them as children of the marriage.

Jany Canuck - I see what you mean about the second birth - think I'll try to get a copy of the cert., then try the debt of honour site you mention. Many thanks.

Name: Adeline Johnson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Buckrose
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 23
well she didnt remarry if he died.