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I am trying to find the birth of John Elias Jones. I am told he was born in 1873 in Holywell, N. Wales and was brought to Liverpool when he was about 3 months old. I have his marriage and death certificates. His father's name is John Jones but mother's name unknown. I've gone through FindmyPast and can only find one John Elias born Dec qtr 1872, parents John and Sarah. John and Sarah seem to be still in Wales in 1881/1891 census so I don't think this is correct birth. I can't find him in 1881 census and the only one I can find in 1891 census is as a visitor (cousin) to a Hugh and Elizabeth Roberts.
Can anyone suggest where I could go next.
Thanks
Yvonne

1901 England Census
about John Elias Jones
Name: John Elias Jones
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Holywell, Wales

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elias Jones 28
Elizabeth Ellen Jones 26
Nellie Jones 2
John Charles Jones 6 months

Thanks Helen. I did find him in the 1901 census but I can't find him in the 1881 census.

YVonne

What is Wales bmd - is it the same as freebmd, if so I've tried that and I couldn't find him. I sent for a certificate for a John Elias Jones born in Dec qtr 1872 which gave parents as John and Sarah. Checking the various censuses John and Sarah were still in Wales after 1873 so it probably wasn't the correct one. Does anyone know if school records of pupils were kept back then because he must've gone to school in Liverpool.
Thanks
Yvonne

There's two places you can buy a BMD cert - from the GRO, or from the local RO that registered the event in the first place, and holds the original registration. FreeBMD transcribes the GRO index, but some local RO indices are online too. They don't usually contain identical info, since their registers aren't organized in the same way.

To give one example:
Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Edwards Arthur W. Derby 8b 532
Jones John Elias W. Derby 8b 532
Mercer Lucy W. Derby 8b 532
Tipping Elizabeth Ellen W. Derby 8b 532

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES John E TIPPING Elizabeth E Edge Hill, St. Catherine Liverpool 2061WD/3/92

For North Wales: http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/
For Lancs: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Thanks for all your help. I'll try the bmd sites and see what I can find. This really is like looking for a needle in a haystack!!

Yvonne

Yvonne, where did you get the birth info from?

There is this 1881 census record at 50 Eston Street Kirkdale

John Jones 41
Mary Ann Jones 41
John Jones 8
Elizabeth Jones 5

John (8)& Elizabeth born Flintshire

Ann