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please someone help. trying to trace john jones 1860/1931.
he married mary maybe davis in 1884 they were born in wrexham and had a son john r. they then moved to manchester and had at least another 7 children.i have them on 1901 and 1911 census but cant trace any of them back , thanks ....

john r possibly richard was born in 1885 in wrexham.

Is this them in 1901?
John Jones
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: North Wales
Civil Parish: Pendlebury and Swinton
Ecclesiastical parish: Swinton St Peter
Town: Swinton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Sub registration district: Worsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 41
Mary Jones 37
John R Jones 15
Ellen Jones 14
Edward Jones 12
William Jones 9
Kesia Jones 7
Thomas Jones 5
Elizabeth A Jones 6 months
Martha Brittain 20

John has been mis-transcribed in the 1891
Ellen Jones
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joka
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Clayton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Droylsden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cross
Town: Clayton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joka Jones 30
Mary Ann Jones 29
John Richd Jones 6
Ellen Jones 4
Edward Jones 1

these are the ones but cant trace them back,

1891

Name: John Richd Jones
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joka
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Clayton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Droylsden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cross
Town: Clayton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joka Jones 30 Wales
Mary Ann Jones 29 Wales
John Richd Jones 6
Ellen Jones 4
Edward Jones 1




June x

thank you so much I just haven't been able to get any where i really do appreciate your help cheers x

Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Jones Kezia Barton I. 8c 680




birth cert will give you parents names



June x

It's relatively easy back to 1881 but before then they just get lost in a sea of Jones' in Wales.
You have the Joka in Lancashire now posted twice do you have any other information no matter how small that will help to pin John down before he married.

i dont have any thing only his death on 11th march 1931. and he died and is buried in swinton