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MY GREAT GRANDFATHER RICHARD TURVILL AGED 31 BATCHELOR MARRIED 1900 TO DELIA JONES AGED 29 SPINSTER AT SANDIACRE, DERBYSHIRE .FATHERS NAMES ROBERT TURVILL. VERNON JONES .BOTH FAMILY PROFESSIONS , HAWKERS .LOOKING FOR DELIA'S BIRTH , HIT A BRICK WALL. THE FAMILIES WERE TRAVELLERS SO HAD NO SET RESIDENCY .

Is this your other thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1223597

Susan, you need to update this request onto the thread Jax has posted - there is loads of info on there relevant to this new request.

Susan have you deleted your other thread?

yes by accident.

sorry still trying to work out how this my threads works .

Almost 4 pages of replies gone !!!

yes it looks that way , i have some of the information saved in notes , depending on what you need .

How does one delete a thread by accident? I have just never figured that out.

What one needs is a record of all the work that people have already done, so that nobody does it all over again.

I'm afraid you're going to find yourself on your own here.

I'd looked at the thread earlier and was going to come back and take a kick at it, but oh well.

can i retreive the deleted pages or not .

If you use the Back button in your browser immediately after deleting, you can get back to the page you were on before it was deleted, or at least I can, it may depend on the browser. Then you can copy it off.

If you had other pages of the thread open before that you can keep using Back to get to them. But once you hit, say, "2" in the page numbers, you go to the deleted version and it's dead.

So no, you can't get it back.

Unless you are in the same tab now, or go to that tab if it's still open, and just keep going Back Back Back until you get to a copy of the page before you deleted it.

omg. I had it open in a tab. Unfortunately, I had only looked at page 1 and page 4, and I had page 4 open. I couldn't get back to page 1, because I had already gone to the deleted version, which wiped out the old version in my history.

I'll copy what was there here, i.e. page 4 of the old thread. It may be enough for the people who were helping to get the idea.

Susan 30th June 2010 21:08

found it now , but confused as to how RICHARD TURVILL became RICHARD FARRILL, as i only knew that he had changed his name to BELL. Even more puzzled as to how you worked it out ,nice one thankyou. just got to workout when they got married now , and what happened to DELIAH LOCK , what a conumdrum .thankyou for all your help. sue.


Quoy 30th June 2010 21:37

Just had to post this

Derby Mercury Dec 21st 1887
ASSES AT LARGE
Richard Turvill of Breadsall pleaded guilty to having allowed his four asses to stray on the highway at Breadsall on the 5th inst.
Defendant was ordered to pay the costs of 8 shilling and sixpence

This gave me a chuckle


Christine2 1st July 2010 10:39

I don't think your problem is finding Richard Susan, I think it's pinning down the right Deliah/Minnie Lock/Jones ????????????

I can't imagine why he decided to become Bell for one census but he didn't change to Farrill in 1901. As Dee explained, it was a mistranscription and actually said Turvill on the census page.

You will find the details of Deliah's likely death on page 1 of this thread.

Also a possible marriage under the name of Delia Jones. Perhaps they married late for some reason.

There doesn't appear to be a suitable birth for Delia/Deliah/Minnie - Lock/Bell/Jones. In fact the only birth with this combination of names in Newcastle Staffordshire is a Minnie Jones, but she was born in Jan-March 1873 and was still with her parent in 1891. I suppose she could have run away and had a baby shortly afterwards but who knows?

These are the likely births for the second and 3rd child -
Births Sep 1893
Turvill Charlotte Belper 7b 644
Births Mar 1895 -
Turvil Richard Chesterfield 7b 34

but I can't find a matching birth for the first child William in Ashby.


Christine2 1st July 2010 10:49

p.s. Perhaps Delia/Deliah/Minnie was born abroad or in Ireland or something?


Susan 2nd July 2010 20:11

on checking the 1911 census under bell as was told our family was turvill/bell , i could only find them under bell and the children on the census match the information given to me by a living relative ,her father was my grandmothers brother,his name was frederick turvill . He along with 6 other children of the now known bell family all had deliah lock as their mother , i am acting on information from the family .


Susan 2nd July 2010 20:26

i have been given details of a possible match for a MINNIE JONES born NEWCASTLE this could fit in with the BELL . but i have also received details of the deaths of DELIA TURVILLE ,at MANSFIELD NOTTS ,1945 ,slight spelling change from my grandmothers birth certificate .
and of course RICHARD TURVILL death at MANSFIELD, 1946.


Susan 2nd July 2010 20:29

i am just as confused as you are .


Christine2 2nd July 2010 20:50

Yes Susan we know. It was me who just mentioned the Minnie Jones birth. It was just a vague possibility because of the Jones marriage I found on page one of this thread and because I can't find a birth for any of the other combinations of her name. The two deaths were also mentioned by someone on page one too.

We don't doubt that they are down as Bell in 1911. All the children, places of birth etc fit too well with the previous census.

Don't worry too much about slight differences in spellings etc. Incorrect transcriptions are very common and don't forget that the death details are only as good as the person registering the death knew them.

Of course it may just be that Deliah Lock's birth was never registered or the marriage. If it indeed it ever took place.


Susan 2nd July 2010 21:54

was just going by the wording on grandmothers birth certificate DELIAH TURVILL(formerly LOCK )so just seemed as though they had married ,i am also told that some times they being travellers they didn't register births or marriages, so difficult i understand if you have had enough with this one, perhaps best to leave it for a while , need to see my aunt to see if she has any more information her age is against her 84 , and i am unable to drive for 3 months , no other means of contact just now . thank you for all your time and efforts .

cont'd

Christine2 3rd July 2010 09:44

Sorry Susan, I didn't mean that to sound as though we were fed up. It is just frustrating not being able to find her for you.

I agree about the travellers not always registering things as I have the same problem. It's taken me years on one side to find any reference to my grandmother and her siblings birth because they were travellers.
Luckily though I did find her parents marriage eventually.

Don't take too much notice of the birth certs saying mother
DELIAH TURVILL(formerly LOCK ) either. When mothers were living with the father they often gave the name as though they were married. Quite often they married after having some children too, especially if one of them was already married to someone else. Also, she could have said formerly Lock if she had been married before to someone call Lock. Though I can't find a likely marriage for that either and she would have been quite young if that was the case.

I am running out of ideas and hope that someone else will come along with fresh eyes and ideas for you.

Good Luck - Christine


Susan 3rd July 2010 17:52

i hear what you are saying , perhaps we can share our information another time ,at the moment i am all out of ideas.again many thanks to you and all who tried to help .




Hope that's some use.