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This is complicated but I'm stuck.
I have a Robert Jones b. Holywell, Flintershire, abt. 1840. In 1861 census he's lodging with a Rees and Anne Ellis. In later censuses he's married to Elizabeth and living in Liverpool. I know that Rees Ellis married Anne Jones. In the 1891 census there's a John Elias Jones visiting a Hugh and Elizabeth Roberts. JEJ was listed as a cousin. Elizabeth Roberts' maiden name was Ellis, she was the daughter of Rees and Anne. I'm trying to find the connection between John Elias, Robert Jones and Anne.
John Elias Jones was born 1873 in Holywell, his father was John Jones, mother unknown.
Anne Jones was born about 1828, father Robert Jones, mother unknown.
John Elias was my husband's grandfather and I'm trying to trace backwards. I was told that there was an Uncle Robert Jones used to visit (info from my mother-in-law).
Is there some way I can find the birth of Robert, there seem to be many born in Holywell.

Marriages Dec 1854 ------------------------------------------

Ellis Rees Wirral 8a 597
Hill John Wirral 8a 597
Jones Anne Wirral 8a 597
Taylor Mary Wirral 8a 597

Thanks Mike. I do have the marriage certificate of Rees and Anne and the witnesses are shown as James Jones and Mary Jones, but I can't find a connection between them and Anne.

What was Robert's occupation ?

He was a shipsmith.

Can you post a census you have found him on please.

Is this him ?

Household:1881

Robert JONES Head M Male 40 Bodfarry, Flint, Wales Joiner
Elizh. JONES Wife M Female 43 Frankly, Cheshire, England

Dwelling 5 Ponsonby
Census Place Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England


EDIT :
Found this marriage which is after 1881 so maybe not the above.

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Marriages Dec 1884 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Davies Bertha Liverpool 8b 49
Ellis Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 49
Jones Robert Hugh Liverpool 8b 49
THOMAS Robert Liverpool 8b 49

No, this isn't him. In the 1861 census he's shown as a shipsmith, lodging with Rees Ellis (b. abt 1829) and Anne Ellis in Poulton Cum Seacombe, Cheshire. In 1871 census he's married to Elizabeth, living at Stananought Street in Liverpool. 1881 he's living in Violet St. in Liverpool and in 1891 he's in Formanby Street, Liverpool. I just can't find anything prior to 1861.

Sorry, have to go out urgently. Will get back.

For our reference...


1881
Robert JONES Head M Male 41 Holywell, Wales Shipsmith (B)
Elizabeth JONES Wife M Female 38 Angleasea, Wales
Robert H. JONES Son U Male 14 Angleasea, Wales Scholar
William R. JONES Son Male 13 Liverpool Scholar
O. H. JONES Son Male 11 Liverpool Scholar
Elizabeth JONES Mother In Law W Female 73 Anglesey, Wales Stone Masons Widow



This looks like young Rober H birth but he may be Elizabeth's child only, if she was Jones too .

Births Sep 1866
Jones Robert H - Anglesey 11b 567

Do you have this certificate ?

Can't see a marriage for Robert to Elizabeth Ellis
But there is this one to Elizabeth Jones in Anglsey where young Robert was born the year previous.


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Marriages Dec 1867

EVANS Lewis Anglesey 11b 972
JONES Elizabeth Anglesey 11b 972
JONES Mary Anglesey 11b 972
JONES Robert Anglesey 11b 972

This may be William R

Births Dec 1867 --------------

Jones William Randles W. Derby 8b 288

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Just realised the Elizabeth Ellis was married to Hugh Roberts not Robert Jones.
Sorry, getting confused.

This looks like John Elias.
The birth cert would give you his mother's name

Births Dec 1872
Jones John Elias - Holywell 11b 254

Am drawn to this one as Llanasa is Holywell district.

You would need the birth cert above to confirm that this is the correct family

Household:1881

John JONES Head M Male 44 Llanasa, Flint, Wales Coal Miner
Maria JONES Wife M Female 45 Llanasa, Flint, Wales
Thomas F. JONES Son U Male 17 Llanasa, Flint, Wales Coal Miner
Alfred PARRY Son U Male 12 Llanasa, Flint, Wales Scholar
Joseph H. PARRY Son U Male 9 Llanasa, Flint, Wales Scholar
Hannah JONES Daur U Female 10 Llanasa, Flint, Wales Scholar
........................................John JONES Son U Male 8 Llanasa, Flint, Wales Scholar
George JONES Son U Male 4 Llanasa, Flint, Wales
Maria JONES Daur U Female 3 Llanasa, Flint, Wales
Jane JONES Daur U Female 1 Llanasa, Flint, Wales

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Dwelling Rhewl Fawr
Census Place Llanasa, Flint, Wales

Thanks Mike for all your offerings. Sorry I had to leave so abruptly.
I do have the birth cert you mentioned for John Elias but I don't think it's the right one. I tried to follow up on the parents and I believe they were still in Holywell in later years (John Elias was brought to Liverpool at about 3 months old). This whole thing is very frustrating - like trying to find a needle in a haystack.