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Lionel

Lionel Report 17 Dec 2010 11:32

Trying to find ancestry on William Jones born 1868 death 1954, married Sarah Jane Breakwell born 1884 death 1966. Children Edey Fay, Lionel John, Elizabeth Gertrude, William Morris, Ralph Edward, Doris May and Henry Stanley.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Dec 2010 11:32

location?

Flick

Flick Report 17 Dec 2010 11:35

His father's name will be on the marriage cert.

With such a common name, you need ALL possible details

The names of his children are irrelevant when looking for his ancestors

Flick

Flick Report 17 Dec 2010 11:37

No marriage on freebmd for the names given.

Flick

Flick Report 17 Dec 2010 11:38

A couple of births for LOCATION..which should have been provided.

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Jones Edith J Breakwell Leominster 6a 985

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Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Jones Lionel J Breakwell Leominster 6a 726

Flick

Flick Report 17 Dec 2010 11:40

??????

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Breakwell Sarah Jane Cleobury M. 6a 581

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Dec 2010 11:47

1911 ?...

JONES, William Married M 39 1872 Farm Labourer Salop Wofferton VIEW
JONES, Sarah Jane Married
11 years F 25 1886 Salop Knowbury VIEW
JONES, Elizabeth Gertrude F 8 1903 Salop Knowbury VIEW
JONES, William Morris M 5 1906 Salop Wheathill VIEW
JONES, Ralph Edward M 3 1908 Salop Wheathill VIEW
JONES, Doris May F 2 1909 Salop Wheathill VIEW
JONES, Henry Stanley M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Salop Onibury VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
15891 Reference:
RG14PN15891 RG78PN974 RD342 SD4 ED8 SN33

Registration District:
Ludlow Sub District:
Munslow Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Stanton Lacy

Address:
Stanton Lacy Bromfield County:
Shropshire

Chris :)

FamilyFogey

FamilyFogey Report 17 Dec 2010 11:53

1901

HOWELLS, William Head Married M 59 1842 Farmer
Clee St Margaret
Salop
HOWELLS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 58 1843
Stoke St Milbro
Salop
HOWELLS, George Son Single M 26 1875 Farmer Son
Clee St Margaret
Salop
HOWELLS, Mary Daughter Single F 23 1878
Clee St Margaret
Salop
>>>>BREAKWELL, Sarah Jane Servant Single F 16 1885 General Serv Domestic
Hopton Wafers
Salop
POTTER, Thomas Servant Single M 29 1872 Cattle Man On Farm
Wheathill
Salop
POYNER, John Servant Single M 17 1884 Waggoner On Farm
Stoke St Millboro
Salop

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2516 Folio:
15 Page:
1

Registration District:
Cleobury Mortimer Sub District:
Stottesden Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Wheathill Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Wheathill Municipal Borough:
Address:
The Court, Wheathill County:
Shropshire

mac

mac Report 17 Dec 2010 12:04

Birth of the first child from 1911 census?

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
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BREAKWELL Elizabeth Gertrude Kidderminster 6c 259

Flick

Flick Report 17 Dec 2010 12:08

So it would seem that they didn't marry....................perhaps William had a wife already

mac

mac Report 17 Dec 2010 12:09

And Ralph?
Births Jun 1908 (>99%)
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Jones Ralph Edward Cleobury M. 6a 574

FamilyFogey

FamilyFogey Report 17 Dec 2010 12:11

It doesn't look like they married officially or their marriage was missed from the GRO indexes.

The 1911 census entry states there were married for 11 years, but noticeably Sarah's age is out by a year or two, so I'd take that info with a pinch of salt.

A tree on Ancestry has Sarah Jane as being the daughter of Julia Breakwell and having a stepfather called William Dudley.

Mike *

Mike * Report 17 Dec 2010 12:14

There's a marriage for Sarah Breakwell in Cleobury ( same area Flick found her birth) but it's not to Jones...


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Marriages Mar 1898

Austin William Henry - Cleobury M. 6a 815
Breakwell Sarah - Cleobury M. 6a 815

Flick

Flick Report 17 Dec 2010 12:14

They obviously lied in 1911 about their 'marriage'

FamilyFogey

FamilyFogey Report 17 Dec 2010 12:16

And the Sarah Jane I found in 1901 is single, age matches up with the birth Flick found.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Dec 2010 12:17

1891...

DUDLEY, William Head Married M 33 1858 Agricultural Labourer
Stanton Long
Shropshire VIEW
DUDLEY, Julia Wife Married F 28 1863
Ludlow
Shropshire
Clee Hill VIEW
BREAKWELL, Sarah Jane Wifes Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Ludlow
Shropshire
Clee Hill VIEW
DUDLEY, Ellen Daughter F 3 1888
Clun
Shropshire VIEW
DUDLEY, William Son M 1 1890
Clun
Shropshire VIEW

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2086 Folio:
52 Page:
3

Registration District:
Clun Sub District:
Bishops Castle Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bishops Castle

Civil Parish:
Bishops Castle Municipal Borough:
Bishops Castle Address:
Woodbatch Byetack, Bishops Castle County:
Shropshire

Chris :)

FamilyFogey

FamilyFogey Report 17 Dec 2010 12:20

William Morris's birth might have been misheard or something?

Not seeing any births for William Morris Jones or Breakwell in Cleobury Mortimer or Ludlow or Kidderminster.

Births Dec 1905
Jones William Horace Cleobury M. 6a 565

Births Jun 1909
JONES Doris May Cleobury M. 6a 558


Not sure if this is the Henry Stanley from 1911:

Deaths Jun 1911
Jones Henry S 0 Ludlow 6a 353

Not finding a birth to match it.

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 17 Dec 2010 12:35

1881

Name: Julia Breakwell
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Hopton, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Milson
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: The Butts
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Domestic Servant
Registration district: Cleobury Mortimer
Sub-registration district: Cleobury Mortimer
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Edward Wyer 54
Edith Wyer 61
Mark Wyer 20
Julia Breakwell 18
 
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2626; Folio: 82; Page: 14; GSU roll: 1341631.

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 17 Dec 2010 12:38

1871

Name: Julia Breakwell
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Breakwell
Mother's name: Ann Breakwell
Gender: Female
Where born: Hopton Wafers, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Coreley
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cleobury Mortimer
Sub-registration district: Cleobury Mortimer
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 83
John Breakwell 38
Ann Breakwell 37
Julia Breakwell 8
Sarah J Breakwell 6
John Breakwell 2
 
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2738; Folio: 34; Page: 20; GSU roll: 835394.

TootyFruity

TootyFruity Report 17 Dec 2010 12:40

Possible birth

Births Dec 1862   (>99%)
  
BREAKWELL  Julia    Cleobury M  6a 548