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Hi I'm trying to find any infomation on my GT GT grandfather Daniel King. I have no idea when or where he was born or where he died. I know it's a long shot but all I have to go on is that he was already dead by the time both of his children were married. Here is what I know so far Daniel was married twice and I think that the two children were to his first wife, these children were Margaret Ellen King born 1902 and Frederick King 1904, I do not know where they were born as it was first believed that they came from Barrow-in-furness but it has now been sugested that it could be somewhere in the Durham area. Frederick was married in Burton-in-lonsdale to Hannah Marshall and their witnesses were Hannah's Aunt and Uncle and Daniel King is now as deceased that was in 1924 and Margaret Ellen was married in Kendal to James Hall in 1923 and once again Daniel is deceased. I have tried to find Fred and Margaret's birth certificates but have struggled as I don't know where they were born. Any help would be greatfully recieved.

This is a possibility for Margaret - you could send for the cert and ask them to check that the fathers name is Daniel.

Births Dec 1902 (>99%)

KING Margaret Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 126

Only two birth for Margaret Ellen King, 1902:-

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
KING Margaret Ellen Pancras 1b 73
Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
KING Margaret Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 126


Lots for Frederick but only one for Newcastle:-
Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
King Frederick Newcastle T. 10b 128

not quite Durham, but not far!!

There's a marriage for Daniel KIng in 1902 county Durham:-

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
King Daniel Chester le S. 10a 767

Search Results From Marriages 1901 to 1910

Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
92% KING Daniel 1902 Durham Northern
92% RIDDLE Jane 1902 Durham Northern

thanks for that I will send off for the birth certificates that are from newcastle and hope that they are the right ones because we always thougth they came from barrow it has been driving me daft for over 2 years
roll on 1911 census at least then they will be on it. Thanks again

Do you not know the names of either of his wives?

I do know what his second wife was called as she had been married before and my grandad used to be intouch with her daughter before they all died. The wives name was Mary Dickinson maiden name Whittam or whitham and Mary's daughter was called Lily Eleanor she married John Mcveigh I have got copies of both Lily's birth and marriage certificates although they dont make sense either as it shows her father on her birth but only lines on her marriage so maybe she had nothing to do with her father once her mother left him for Daniel King

On his children's marriage certs. what is Daniel's profession?

There is a Daniel King in 1901 census in County Durham,:-

Name: Daniel King
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester-Le-Street, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Chester Le Street
Ecclesiastical parish: Pelton Holy Trinity
Town: Pelton Fell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 2 James Street, Pelton Hill

Occupation: ? (below grounds)

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 141
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert King 29
Hannah King 26
Margaret E King 5
John R King 3
William King 2
Violet King 6 Mo
Matthew King 34
Daniel King 25

1901 maybe

Name: Daniel King
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester-Le-Street, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Chester Le Street
Ecclesiastical parish: Pelton Holy Trinity
Town: Pelton Fell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 141
Household Members: Name Age
Robert King 29
Hannah King 26
Margaret E King 5
John R King 3
William King 2
Violet King 6 Mo
Matthew King 34 boarder
Daniel King 25 boarder not son on image


Coal Hewer below ground







1891

Name: Daniel King
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Pelton Fell, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Chester Le Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Cuthbert
Town: Pelton Fell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas King 67
Elizabeth King 55
Ellenor King 28
Matthew King 23
Robert King 19
Daniel King 15 miners assistant
Thomas King 5
Elizabeth King 6/12


June x

on their marriage certificates it just states that he was deceased so I don't know what he did. I don't know if he was born in barrow and moved to durham/newcastle area or vice versa but he had to have been in Barrow-in-furness to have met his second wife cause she was from Barrow and that is where Lily her daughter got married.

for reference:-
Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Dickinson Lily Eleanor Barrow F. 8e 836
The district Barrow F. is an alternative name for Barrow in Furness and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Cumbria and Lancashire

her marriage:-
Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Burgess Robert McNab Barrow F. 8e 1417
<<<<Dickinson Lily E McVeigh Barrow F 8e 1417
McNab Elizabeth Burgess Barrow F. 8e 1417
<<<<McVeigh John W Dickinson Barrow F. 8e 1417
What was her fathers name?


and possible first marriage for Mary?
Marriages Dec 1880
Dickinson Thomas Helena Barrow F. 8e 1221
Whitham Mary Ann Barrow F 8e 1221
is this it?

yes that is them lily was born 23 feb 1896 in barrow her father was Thomas Helen Dickinson. I have tried looking for Daniel marrying Mary Dickinson but cannot find any and i have tried Whitham. But my grandad always said that Lily was his dad's (fred) step sister i am now beinging to wounder if they never got married

Wonder if Daniel was killed in the First World War?

Possible death for Lily's father Thomas:-

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
Dickinson Thomas H 58 Barrow F. 8e 1267

i had been thinking that too but as I don't know how old he would have been or where he may have inlisted I haven't a clue about how to try and look down that route

if Lily's dad died before she got married that could explain why there is lines through where it should say father on her marriage certificate

This looks like Thomas and Mary in 1881:-
Name: Thomas H. Dickinson
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Hertford St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas H. Dickinson 23
Mary A. Dickinson 21 born: Dalton, Lancashire
Elizabeth H. Dickinson

1891:-
Name: Mary Dickinson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thos
Gender: Female
Where born: Ulverston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 23b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Dickinson 33
Mary Dickinson 31
Mary E Dickinson 10
Joseph Dickinson 6
Alice Dickinson 3


and in 1901:-
Name: Mary Dickinson
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Ulverston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dickinson 43
Mary Dickinson 41
Joseph Dickinson 16
John Dickinson 12
Florence Dickinson 7
James Dickinson 3
<<<<Maggie Whittam 13 - Servant
<<<<William Whittam 18 - Boarder
William Slone 43 - Boarder
John Devine 39 - Boarder

which links them to the Whittam family!

and on the same page:-
Name: Lily Dickinson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Barrow, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Biddulph 25
Mary Biddulph 21
Thomas Fettington 50
Arthur Biddulph 50
<<<<<Lily Dickinson 7

Mary Biddulph's maiden name is Dickinson, so would be the Mary E. Dickinson in 1891 census and therefore Lily's sister!!

As the two King children were born 1902 and 1904 you are probably correct in thinking that they were born to Daniel's first wife!

On lily's marriage certificate one of her witnesses was John Thomas Dickinson who I think was her brother the one who was 12 in 1901.