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Hi All help again please.
Trying to find any information Joseph Lewis married1901 in Manchester,Joseph was born in Brighton circa 1880 and his father was Joseph Lewis born 1859 in Parson Toron Ireland.
Cannot find this place in Ireland or who he married.
Any help please

This one is South Manchester:-

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
BURNS George Joseph Chorlton 8c 1098
Ellis Mary Letitia Chorlton 8c 1098
FITTES Eleanor Chorlton 8c 1098
LEWIS Joseph Chorlton 8c 1098

so a possible marriage?

You could have a look at the 1911 census:-

First names JOSEPH
Last names LEWIS
Birth Year 1880
Birth Place BRIGHTON
County Lancashire

HOUSEHOLD LEWIS JOSEPH M 1880 31 Chorlton Lancashire

Living in Chorlton so would seem to confirm Chorlton marriage.

Best to take a look at this first to see who is living in the same house.

Thanks Catherine it is a good start for me to check out.

Clive

Sorry took so long to reply but our network at work went down.
On the 1911 census

LEWIS, JOSEPH HEAD MARRIED M 31 HORSEKEEPER BRIGHTON SUSSEX

LEWIS, ANNIE WIFE MARRIED 10 F 34 TRIOR CO MANCH RESIDENT

LEWIS, GLADY'S DAUGHTER F 9 SCHOOL LANC MANCSHESTER

LEWIS, SARAH DAUGHTER F 7 SCHOOL LANC MANCSHESTER

LEWIS, JAMES SON M 5 SCHOOL LANC MANCSHESTER

LEWIS, JOHN SON M 2 LANC MANCSHESTER

LEWIS, MARY DAUGHTER F 6 MONTHS LANC MANCSHESTER

COLEMAN, MARY BOARDER SINGLE F 71 NOT KNOWN PAS RESIDENT

GOOD, SARAH BOARDER SINGLE F 30 CORK CORK CITY

29 MALCOLM SQUARE CHORLTON ON MEDLOCK MANCHESTER S

Would the Elanor Fittes be Annie ?

And does any body have any info on his father

Are you sure that he married in Manchester ? Could he have married somewhere else and moved to Manchester after the marriage as there is this one:-

Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
Lewis Joseph Wortley 9c 411
Parkin Hagar Wortley 9c 411
Wilkinson Annie Wortley 9c 411
Yeardley George Wortley 9c 411

hang on!
Just had a quick look at the 1901 census and found this which seems to be him even though the date of birth is slightly out:-

Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 90 Duke Street

Occupation: Ale Bottler (Cellar)

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Lewis 43 born: Parson Toron, Ireland (Groom Livery Stables)
Mary Lewis 41 born: Manchester, Lancashire
Joseph Lewis 16
Lily Lewis 9 born: Blackpool, Lancashire
Cathleen Lewis 8 born: Manchester, Lancashire
Minnie Lewis 8 born: Blackpool, Lancashire
Bertha E Lewis 4 born: Manchester, Lancashire

Have viewed the original record and the ages and places of birth seem to be correct but not sure how the two girls could have the same age but be born in different places, unless one was born at the beginning of the year and the other at the end of the year.

Morning Catherine
Not sure if he married in Manchester I'm just going by the Census information,I,ll check this one out is it Wortley in Yorkshire ?
Clive

Thanks Catharine that sure looks like the family.

Hi,

I have them on 1901 and father Joseph's birth place says quite clearly 'Parsons Town.

There is a Parsonstown' in Co Tipperary - I found this website which lets you search their Bmd's:

http://www.from-ireland.net/extrs/p/parsonsmarrs1.htm

I will go and see if I can find anything.

- Are you sure he Joseph married in 1901 - On 1901 census his age is given as 16 - This would no doubt be his birth reg:

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Lewis Joseph Brighton 2b 275

Dea x

Sorry Clive didn't see your posting there as I was adding a bit onto the bottom of the 1901 census. Didn't expect you to be on line.
Wortley is West Yorkshire.
Could be a good idea to look for the rest of the family on 1911 census.


Dea,
1911 census has them married for 10 years and Joseph as being born in 1880, but birth does seem to fit too so.................?

I've been thinking about 1901 census. I'm wondering if Joseph (father) was married twice as there seems to be a bit of a gap between the age of Joseph and Lily.

1891 ?
Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Lewis 32 - Ireland (Horsekeeper)
Elizabeth Lewis 29 - born: Horsham, Sussex
Joseph Lewis 6
Mary Lewis 3 - born: Pendleton, Lancashire

possible marriage of Joseph and Elizabeth:-

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
Donegan Margaret Brighton 2b 347
Johnson Henry Brighton 2b 347

LEWIS Joseph Brighton 2b 347
Linfield Elizabeth Brighton 2b 347
STONE Elizabeth Isle Of Wight 2b 347

There are six marriages between 1891 and 1901 for Joseph Lewis - Mary ?

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
Lewis Joseph Salford 8d 50
Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Lewis Joseph Prestwich 8d 492
Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
Lewis Joseph Oldham 8d 1140
Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Lewis Joseph Liverpool 8b 128
Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Lewis Joseph Garstang 8e 1392

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
LEWIS Joseph Chorlton 8c 1098

The Chorlton one is the one I posted before, so could it be the second marriage of Joseph (the father) ?

Thanks to you all,you have really given me something to go at.
I think the age of Joseph junior will forever remain a mystery.

Thanks again Clive

Did Joseph Jnr die in WW1?

Name - LEWIS Joseph
Place of Birth - BRIGHTON
Place of Enlistment - MANCHESTER
Place of Residence -
Soldier Number - 10495
Rank - GUARDSMAN
How they died - Killed in Action
Place of death - F & F
Date of Death (dd/mm/yyyy) - 24/11/1914
Regiment - FOOT GUARDS (INCLUDING GUARDS MACHINE GUN REGIMENT)
Battalion - GRENADIER GUARDS 1ST BATTALION
Service - ARMY
Notes -

Dea x

Sadly, - Yes, he did!

LEWIS, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Grenadier Guards
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 24/11/1914
Service No: 10495
Additional information: Son of Joseph Lewis, of 6, Coupland St., Chorlton-on-Medlock; husband of Annie Lewis, of 130, Higher Cambridge St., Chorlton-on-Medlock, Manchester.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 1.
Memorial: PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL


Maybe you could get his Army Records?

Dea x

That would explain why I couldn't find any more births after 1911. I always find that sad when you find info like that.

Must sign off now, Clive, but will look in later.
Catherine

I would be 'sorely tempted' to go for that 1884 birth cert - It fits with his age on 2 census's and doesn't seem to fit anyone else!!

As he seems to have acquired a 'wife' and family at a very early age and she is somewhat older than him, I believe he probably 'added a few years'?

Dea x