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Hello there,

I am looking for the birth of Elizabeth Lewis. I am hoping someone can help me as I've been looking for a long time.

I've sent for several certificates and they've all came back wrong. Her parents are John Lewis and Jane Smith. Elizabeth was born in Chelsea barracks, according to the census. The certificates I've sent for are 1866 North-West London. 1869 Chelsea North-West. 1870 Kensington Town. All these are not the certificate that I am looking for - they're either Charles, William or Sarah.

I am having great difficulty trying to find this birth. According to her marriage certificate she is 27 years old in 1893 and married James Orton in Middlesbrough. This would make her born in 1866, but I am unable to trace this birth.

Is there anyone that can help me to look for Elizabeth Lewis, born 1866 to John and Jane, Chelsea Barracks in London.

It is possible that this was a military birth which I don't know how to go about. I've been trying all this year and still can't find her.

I'm hoping there's someone out there that can help me find her.

Many thanks,
Jean

There are these all born Chelsea


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Births Dec 1862

LEWIS Elizabeth Jane Wilmot Chelsea 1a 178

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Births Dec 1869

Lewis Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 244

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Births Mar 1870

Lewis Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 251


Which censuses have you found her on ?

1901

ORTON, James Head Married M 42 1859 Boiler Cleaner
Ayton
Yorkshire VIEW
ORTON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 37 1864
Chelsea Barracks
London VIEW
ORTON, James Son Single M 7 1894
Middlesbro'
Yorkshire VIEW
ORTON, John Son Single M 5 1896
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
ORTON, Mary Daughter Single F 3 1898
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
ORTON, Thomas Son Single M 1 1900
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
ORTON, Clara Daughter Single F 1 1900
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4585 Folio:
47 Page:
36

Registration District:
Middlesbrough Sub District:
Ormesby Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
South Bank St John's

Civil Parish:
Eston Municipal Borough:
Address:
57, Beacham Street, Eston, North Eston County:
Yorkshire (North riding)

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1891

LISTER, Gertrude M Head Single F 50 1841 Sister Of Charity
Marylebone
London VIEW
DAVINSON, Louisa C Matron Single F 45 1846 Trained Nurse
Aston
Buckinghamshire VIEW
******LEWIS, Elizabeth Visitor Single F 24 1867 Servant General
Chelsea
London VIEW
CLARK, Caroline Visitor Single F 12 1879 Scholar
York
Yorkshire VIEW
ALMOND, Annie Visitor Single F 12 1879 Scholar
Pierce Bridge
County Durham VIEW
MOGRIDGE, Edith Servant Single F 14 1877 Domestic Servant
Guisbrough
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
4001 Folio:
38 Page:
23

Registration District:
Guisborough Sub District:
Marske Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch Coatham

Civil Parish:
Coatham Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Nelson Terrace, Coatham County:
Yorkshire (North Riding)

Found her Elizabeth Lewis on 1901 and 1911 censuses in Middlesbrough.

She is definitely not this one:

"Births Dec 1869

Lewis Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 244"

There are several others, but they're not the ones.

Thanks for your fast reply.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It looks to me that Jane and John got married in 1866 and I think she was possibly pregnant with Elizabeth at the time.

Yours,
Jean

If you do not have her birth cert, where did you get her mother's maiden name from?

I got her mother's maiden name when I found an uncle. His father is my grandfather and he told me that his grandmother was Elizabeth Lewis - that's how I found John and Jane. John was in the Scot's Fusiliers and was born in Carmarthen. Jane was born in Lincolnshire, Shrewsbury.

What is her father's occupation on the marriage cert?

What is her father's occupation on the marriage cert?

I have looked at London baptisms
Elizabeth Dane Lewis Baptism Dec 1869 John Lewis,
Jane Lewis St Mark, Notting Hill Kensington and Chelsea
This is not the one that you want.

Are you aware that there was no penalty for not registering a birth until August 1875(I think)

Elizabeth Lewis' father's occupation on the marriage certificate was Corporal in the Scot's Fusiliers.

I also found that Jane Lewis died in 1898 in Atcham, aged 73. On the certificate there is a Thomas Lewis son but don't know when he was born. Is there any chance anyone can find anything on him, too? I've got a feeling he's possibly born in London too.

1871 England Census
Name: John Lewis
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Chelsea Barracks for Second Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Lewis 35
Jane Lewis 41 (born Sleaford, Lincolnshire)




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 78; Folio: 51; Page: 14; GSU roll: 824581.

Possibly Jane in 1881 - although listed with the family above, she is shown on the image as a separate household with Ivy Clark whose relationship is shown as "care of" !!:

1881 England Census
about Jane Lewis
Name: Jane Lewis
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Sleaford, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 25 Catherine St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Candish 40
Mary Candish 35
Maud Candish 8
William Candish 6
Ernest Candish 4
Bertice Candish 2
Evelyn Candish
Joseph Candish 40
Louisa Frahm 31
Stanley Milham 39
Charles Edwd. Egan 36
Charles Mellan 31
Jane Lewis 52
Ivy Clark 6 b Lambeth

If the death you found in 1898 is your Jane, she was ten years older than given age in 1871 and would have been in her late 40s when Elizabeth was born - not impossible but a bit late for a first child. Do you have John and Jane's marriage cert? If so, what is her age on that?

In 1891 there is a Jane Lewis age 69, b Sleaford, Lincs living in the Atcham reg area but she is still alive in 1901, so not the one who died in 1898.

Hi everyone,

Potty, the last one you sent me about 1881 seems a bit strange and I can't figure it out because in 1881, John Lewis is in Carmarthen, living with an Evans family and is down as a Chelsea pensioner and yet you've got Jane in 1881 living with a family in Westminster, but John died in 1892 and Jane is present at his death and in 1898 when Jane died, she's got a son called Thomas present as death, but I haven't found any evidence of Elizabeth or Thomas on any of the census. Is there any way of finding out anything on both of these children?

I really appreciate all the help you all gave so far because this is a real mystery to me.

Yours,
Jean

Hi,

Sorry I am late in replying, but I had to check all the paperwork. John and Jane's marriage was in 1866 in upper-Chelsea, Middlesex. It says John Lewis age full, bachelor, profession army and his father's name is John Lewis and he is a plasterer. It says Jane Smith age full, widow, upper-Chelsea, father Thomas Drury, servant.

Thanks,
Jean