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trying to find the marriage of George Martin b 1824 to Sarah ?in london around 1848/9 . Also his father William b 1799 and mother Sarah b 1755. I think these are his parents as far as I know all in london Bermondsey/Southwark areas Help would be appreciated Thanks

Hi Pauline,

This George and Sarah?

1851 England Census
about George Martin
Name: George Martin
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southwark St Olave
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Olave
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
George Martin 27
Sarah Martin 21
Margaret Martin 1
Sarah Ann Martin 3 Mo


Dee x

Denise
yes thats the family . Dont know Sarah's name. I have the 1851 census but need to get back further, need to find His parents, this has been a stumbling block for some time

Cassidy
Thanks for that, could you check the ref again pls, as I think may have to send for cert.
P

1841 census William Martin c 1799
Sarah Martin c 1795
George Martin c 1824 in the parish of Sy Anne,Limehouse,Stepney.

Cassidy,

Sarah Turney married someone else;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Sarah Turney
Name: Sarah Turney
Spouse Name: Charles Henry Guy
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Mar 1848
Parish: Saint Saviour
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Jacob Turney
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Bennett Guy



Dee x

Denise,You could have the correct info there.

Either buy the above Marriage cert or this birth cert...

Births Sep 1849
MARTIN Margaret Elizabeth Bermondsey 4 [8_]


I would put MY money on this one....

Births Mar 1851
Martin Sarah Ann Olave St 4 563

1871 England Census
about George Martin
Name: George Martin
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Kenney 33
Emma Kenney 15
Henry Kenney 8
Frank M Kenney 1
George Martin 46
Alfred Martin 13


Is this his sister or sister in law?


Dee x

Dee, Sorry I don't know. What do you think Sarah name was ? if not Turney?
P

Hi Pauline,

I'm not sure on Sarahs maiden name......... we can't seem to find a marriage registration to match.

I would order Sarah Anns birth cert like Mrs Bucket states and hopefully it should state her maiden name.

Dee x

PS....... Georges parents, could this be them??

1841 England Census
about George Martin
Name: George Martin
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St James
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Martin 45 <<<<<<<<<< LIGHTERMAN
Elizabeth Martin 45
George Martin 15
Charles Martin 15
Susanna Salan 10



Night, night,

Dee xx

Dee, I found that one, but think its the right one, but thanks for trying.
Why o Why did they all have to have the same names? And all born in same area?
Night night I, m of to bed

dee, I meant to say DONT think thats the wright one, was getting tired sorry
P

Hi Pauline,

Just having another look........... Emma Kenney, was she Georges lady friend as George states he is a widow and sarah is still alive and then here's Frank Kenneys birth;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Births Mar 1870

KENNEY Frank Martin St. Geo. East 1c 480


Seems to me that Frank maybe Georges child??


Dee x

Dee, Thanks for looking. I have had someone contact me , re George Martin, and hers is a different one. Her family also called the eldest son George. Not sure if we will ever get it sorted, Keep coming up with different answes. Re Sarah Turney, i found a marriage for her to a George Martin in 1848, so am inclined to go with that
Pauline

Hi Pauline,

That marriage for Sarah Turney shows that she married Charles Henry Guy on March 26th 1848, please don't waste your money. Here they are mistranscribed;

1851 England Census
about Charles H Grey
Name: Charles H Grey
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:engraver

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Charles H Grey 26
Sarah Grey 25
Helena Grey 2
Charles B Grey 1 Mo
Elizabeth Turney 43 wifes mother
Henry Turney 19 wifes brother


Dee xx

Dee,
Thanks for that. What source did you use? i found a mariage of Sarah Turney to George Martin At Southwark. 1st qtr 1848 ref 4.451 on ancestry
Could there be Two Sarah Turney ? There are certainly more than one George martin. The ref was the same on both names
Going round in circles now. wonder if I have the right family
Pauline

Dee
On the 1881 census that i know is the right family, With My granfather as 1 yr There are three GUY / William 21
Mary Ann 24
and a Maud Guy
I need to go back to the census and see what relation the guy family are to Mine.it does not have Great Grandad b 1857, as I have found him in prison!! So great Gran and three of the children went back to her mothers house. A very elusive lot , must have something to Hide??
i will look deeper and closer at what I have got
Pauline

Dee looked at the 1881 census . The Guy family are just lodgers, but a coincidence the same name as the earlier marriage
P

Hi Pauline,

FREEBMD has the same marriage, but also shows the others who married;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%)
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CHILD Jane St Saviour 4 451
Garry James Newington St Mary 4 451
GAY Frederick John St Saviour 4 451
>>>>>>>>>>>>Guy Charles Henry St. Saviour 4 451
LEWIS Charles St. Saviour 4 451
Long Lydia Catherine St Saviour 4 451
MARTIN George St Saviour 4 451
MATHIAS Martha Margaret Ball St Saviour 4 451
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turney Sarah St Saviour 4 451


I found their marriage details on Ancestry in the LMA.

I think the only way for you to go backwards would be to order the birth cert for one of George and Sarahs children........ at least then you would have Sarahs maiden name and then hopefully we could find a marriage between them (they could have beern misplaced on the transcriptions for marriages in the BMD).

Sorry I did have another look about but didn't turn anything up. Just out of interest why do you think that William and Sarah could be his parents? George is listed as a Lighterman..... often occupations ran in families and in 1841 George would be in the right area of Bermondsey, and he always lists Bermondsey as his birth place. The William in 1841 is a Ship Wright and George is an apprentice Ship Wright......... isn't this a ship builder/repairer rather than a Lighterman who ferries goods about on ships as George states in all the censuses from 1851.


Dee x