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To find sons and grandsons etc

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Patricia

Patricia Report 4 Feb 2010 14:00

John Stell Mitchell b.1867 d. March 1949 had 2 sons Arthur & Geo. dob unknown to first wife/s and son Charles Stell b.1916 to later wife Anne Pocklington in1912 lived in Burley. Leeds

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Feb 2010 14:06

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Binns Simeon Bradford, Y. 9b 86
Greenwood Frances Bradford, Y. 9b 86
Haworth Emma Bradford, Y. 9b 86
Mitchell John Stell Bradford, Y. 9b 86



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Driver Louisa Bradford, Y. 9b 55
Elsworth Eliza Bradford, Y. 9b 55
Leach Jonas Bradford, Y. 9b 55
Mitchell John Stell Bradford, Y. 9b 55



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Dawson Amy Bradford,Y 9b 49
Hanson Gertrude Ada Bradford, Y. 9b 49
Johnson Richard Bradford, Y. 9b 49
Mitchell John Stell Bradford, Y. 9b 49



Are all the above marriages your John please?

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 4 Feb 2010 14:08

Here he is in 1911:

Person: MITCHELL, John Stell
Address: 23 Autumn Terrace Leeds
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MITCHELL, John Stell Head Widower M 44 1867 Tailor Wholesale Clothing Yorkshire Wakefield VIEW
MITCHELL, Annie Daughter F 16 1895 Tailor Wholesale Clothing Yorkshire Bradford VIEW

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 4 Feb 2010 14:11

And 1901:

John Stell Mitchell 34
Gertrude Ada Mitchell 33
George Mitchell 11
Arthur Mitchell 9
Annie Mitchell 6

There is a tree on Ancestry relating to this family, states Gertrude's maiden name as Milnes.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Feb 2010 14:19

Do you have his father's name and occupation from one of the marriage certificates please?

This looks like his birth if you are sure of his year of birth.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
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Mitchell John Stell Wakefield 9c 14


Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 4 Feb 2010 14:19

Only 1911 match for George Mitchell of the right age range AND born in Bradford (which 1901 census states he was):

Person: MITCHELL, George
Address: 15 Banstead Street Leeds

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TAYLOR, Tom Head Married M 42 1869 Foreman Bricklayer Yorkshire Bilton VIEW
TAYLOR, Pollie Wife Married
21 years F 40 1871 Yorkshire Leeds VIEW
TAYLOR, Walter Son Single M 19 1892 Woollen Room Assistant Yorkshire Leeds VIEW
MITCHELL, George Boarder Single M 21 1890 Engine Erector Yorkshire Bradford VIEW

Not immediately finding a match for Arthur, born in Rastrick, though!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Feb 2010 14:26

Possible in 1871??

Name: John S Mitchell
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Burley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Burley
Ecclesiastical parish: Burley
Town: Burley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub-registration district: Otley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Mitchell 33 Worsted Weaver
Ellen Mitchell 40
John S Mitchell 3
Ann E Mitchell 8
Sarah Mitchell 1 month

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4302; Folio: 45; Page: 9; GSU roll: 846976.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 6 Feb 2010 10:32

PM from Patricia.

The John Stell Mitchell that I have found is the wrong one. I'll leave my postings on so others can eliminate him from their searches.

Patricia

Patricia Report 6 Feb 2010 10:57

John Stell Mitchell/Gertrude Ada Milnes - Thanks for info. should you have any other info. that may help please advise me. Likewise I will do same.
Patricia

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 6 Feb 2010 12:16

PM from Patricia saying

John Stell Mitchell b.1867 His father was also John Stell. This shown on 1912 m.c. as "master deceased. Am trying to find his dod.


Is it possible that the 1912 marriage was his 4th.?

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Mitchell John S Pecklington Leeds 9b 915
Pocklington Ann Mitchell Leeds 9b 915


Gertrude Ada's first marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Hanson Joseph Bradford, Y. 9b 171
MILNES Gertrude Ada Bradford Y. 9b 171



I think I would be tempted to buy one of the earlier marriage certificates to check his father's name and occupation. The 1867 birth certificate is the only likely looking one on freebmd so I would buy that. Sometimes, especially on later marriages the father's details are incorrect.

Aveyronnaise

Aveyronnaise Report 9 Feb 2010 09:27

I have received this pm from Patricia:

I can confirm that this is the right family. So how do I take off the other messages which do not? I can only get better at this. Thank you once more.

So I have pm'd her and suggested that she post on here again, confirming which details so far are wrong/right so that we can help her from there.

Patricia

Patricia Report 14 Feb 2010 20:09

John Stell Mitchell b.1867 m. Gertrude Ada Hanson or Milnes in 1899. She must have died between 1901 (on census that yr with 3 children who were born 1890, 1892 and 1893 so he must. have had previous wife but who? Have gone through death records 1901 to 1912 twice to find death of Gertrude but no success. He married Anne Pocklington in 1912 and was a widower (1911 census) Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
Patricia

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Feb 2010 09:56

1891 Census

Name: George Mitchell
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Francis
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Manningham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford West End
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Mitchell 24 Tailor's Assistant
Francis Mitchell 23
George Mitchell 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3630; Folio 148; Page 26; GSU roll: 6098740.



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Binns Simeon Bradford, Y. 9b 86
Greenwood Frances Bradford, Y. 9b 86
Haworth Emma Bradford, Y. 9b 86
Mitchell John Stell Bradford, Y. 9b 86


Possible death for Frances??

Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Mitchell Frances 25 Bradford 9b 95



Did John say he was a widower when he married Gertrude please?


Could Joseph Hanson have been older than Gertrude and died shortly after they married?


Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Hanson Joseph 42 Bradford, Y. 9b 78



I think you have to buy the birth certificates for the children to confirm who their mother's were.


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Feb 2010 10:14

Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Mitchell Louisa 32 Bradford, Y. 9b 4



I think that I would be buying ALL those John Stell Mitchell marriage certificates - even just to eliminate the marriages! There is a Louisa Greenwood on the 1891 census whose mother's name is Ann. It is possible that the 3 children on the 1901 census do not have the same mother.

Do remember that it wasn't uncommon for a widower to find a new wife quickly to look after his children so he could keep on working.

If all those marriages are your John Stell Mitchell, he does seem rather careless to lose so many wifes!!

Patricia

Patricia Report 20 Feb 2010 14:39

Thank you to all rootfinders re my search for John Stell Mitchell.
He prob. was married 4 times (I knew of 3 marriages)
1889 to Frances Greenwood son George 1890 and son Arthur b. 1892. Frances prob died 1893. Remarried 1894 to either Louisa Driver or Eliza Elsworth (one of these would be mother of Anne b.1895) am tring to find the likely death date of either Louisa or Eliza) which must have been between 1895 and 1899 when he married Gertrude Ada Hanson (nee Milnes) and HER death before he married Anne Pocklington in 1912.
I have found a likely death for a Louisa in 1897 j-m qtr. but will now look for a Eliza. I think John Stell was a glutton for punishment!!!!!

Thank for such good help

Patricia