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MITCHELL
Hi my maiden name was WENDY MITCHELL and I am trying to trace relatives that came from the FAYGATE/HORSHAM/RUSPER/CRAWLEY AREA IN SUSSEX. My father was WILLIAM HAROLD 1905 - 1948, my grandfather was JOHN JAMES 1872 -1962, my great grandfather James 1850 - 1941 and my great great grandfather FRANCIS EDWARD 1808 - 1888. I already have quite a lot of information that I am willing to share. I particularly want to find the names of my g g grandfathers parents and those of my g g grandmother MARY MARGARET JUPP born Slaugham 1807 - c1893. Also I don't have the marriage of Francis and Mary which I think was between 1827 and 1833. From the parish records I know that Ann Mitchell Jupp b 1827 was base born and when Jane 1833 was born they were married. To make my search a little harder sometimes Francis Edward became just Edward. The Edward Mitchell who married Mary Jupp at St Pancras on IGI isn't them. Neither is the John MItchell who married Mary Jupp at Slaugham. Can anyone out there help me please.
I have all the census results
Thanks for reading this
Wendy
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Sharing a bit of that info you have might get you some better results, Wendy! Odds are against actual family members seeing your post and recognizing names, but somebody else might be able to help out. Without a clue as to the dates you're talking about ... well ...
Would this be Francis Edward Mitchell and wife Mary Margaret Jupp in 1861? (Presumably you have her name from a child's birth certificate.)
Name: Francis E Mitchell - blacksmith/farmer
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: Horsham, Sussex, England
Name: Mary Mitchell
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Francis E
Where born: Slaugham, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Horsham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Horsham
Sub-registration district: North Horsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 67
Francis E Mitchell 51
Mary Mitchell 52
James Mitchell 9 - your gr-grfather?
John Mitchell 20
Mary Mitchell 23
William Mitchell 15
So here they are in 1841:
Name: Francis Mitchell
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Where born: Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Horsham
Hundred: Singlecross
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Horsham
Sub-registration district: North
Francis Mitchell 33
Mary Mitchell 33
Ann Mitchell 14
Catherine Mitchell 5
Jane Mitchell 8
John Mitchell 6 Mo
Mary Mitchell 3
So they were married before 1837 -- going by Ann's age, before 1827. Have you tried the IGI?
MARY JUPP
Christening: 07 JUN 1807 Slaugham, Sussex, England
Father: THOMAS JUPP
Mother: ANN
Batch Number: 7312315
Unsubstantiated submitted info, but it looks like it was taken from a parish record. Birthdate of mid-1807 matches with age of 33 in 1841.
The batch has about 8 other births to parents Thomas and Ann, plus what could be the birth of father Thomas. Nearly a third of the christenings in that batch are Jupps; someone may have been taking a particular interest. It might be worthwhile to get access to the submission form and see whether the submitter is contactable.
Do naming patterns help at all? Ann (mother's mother - that matches the IGI record), Jane (father's mother?), Catherine (?), John (father's father?), Mary (mother) ... barring deaths in infancy ...
Batach C070641, parents Francis Mitchell and Mary:
Results for: Birth/Christening, 1820 - 1860, Sussex, England, British Isles
Father: Francis Mitchell, Mother: Mary
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 4
1. JANE MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUN 1833 Horsham, Sussex, England
2. WILLIAM MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 DEC 1846 Horsham, Sussex, England
3. MARY MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 APR 1838
4. MARY MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 MAY 1838 Horsham, Sussex, England
-- three children in total, who match up with children in the 1841 census.
But a complete list from that batch of births with father Francis also gives, with mother Ruth:
1. MILDRED MITCHEL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 MAY 1829 Horsham, Sussex, England
2. RICHARD MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 APR 1827 Horsham, Sussex, England
3. ANN MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 SEP 1831 Horsham, Sussex, England
A previous marriage for Francis?
Nope. ;)
In 1841 in Slinfold:
Ruth Mitchell 40 (Bourn, per marriage record)
Frances Mitchell 50
Ann Mitchell 10
James Mitchell 6
Matthew Mitchell 3
Mildred Mitchell 12
Richard Mitchell 14
Cousins, maybe. ;)
This one is mildly interesting though, in that batch:
FRANCIS EDWARD ELWOOD
Christening: 09 OCT 1807 Horsham, Sussex, England
Father: MATTHEW ELWOOD
Mother: JANE
Same given names, right birthdate, right place. No other Elwoods born in Horsham in that batch, no other births to Mathew Elwood and Jane in Sussex, no further record in the IGI for that person, no record in the IGI of Mathew Elwood, no Elwoods in Horsham in 1841, and only two in Sussex.
Just an interesting coincidence? I've found such coincidences worth pursuing in my own tree. Couldn't find hide nor hair of my gr-grfather Ernest Augustus Monck born c1852 ... but found an Ernest Augustus Hill who turned out to be him, with a name change sometime in the early 1870s that I'm still trying to figure out.
Could your Francis Edward have been adopted after the deaths of his parents or some such?
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Continuing on the name-change theory: might your Francis have been born Elwood, and his mother Jane been widowed and married Mitchell? Francis's daughter Jane does fit with father's mother if the naming pattern were followed.
Here's a Mathew Ellwood whose father was Francis:
MATHEW ELLWOOD
Christening: 30 MAR 1780 Bull Lane Independent, Stepney, London, England
Father: FRANCES ELLWOOD
Mother: SARAH
Batch No.: C097881
With sister Abigal born 1878.
So if my theory were right, the upshot would be that you aren't a Mitchell at all! (Like my mum isn't a Monck at all.)
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For info, this appears to be the Elwood couple in Clayton, Sussex, in 1841:
CHARLES WILLIAM ELWOOD
Birth: 1782 , Sussex, England
Death: 08 FEB 1860
Spouse: ANNE KATHARINE CURTEIS
Marriage: 1824 , Sussex, England
-- no source info.
CHARLES WILLIAM ELWOOD
Birth: 18 MAY 1781
Christening: JUN 1781 Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England
Father: PEXELL ELWOOD
Mother: MARY
Batch No.: C041603
Shows some Elwood London-to-Sussex movement ...
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Hi Katherine
You certainly have been busy on my behalf, thank you.
I have gone as I can with the Mitchell family and I am now stuck with the parents of my great great grandfather, Francis Edward Mitchell sometime listed as Edward Francis.. He was married after the birth of his first child Ann Mitchell Jupp in 1827. I have the Horsham Parish records and she is listed as base born also his name is crossed through on Ann's marriage certificate. I have all the census results and all the children, childrens children etc but just cant get to my 3 x grea grand father. Your Elwood theory is very interesting and I will follow that up more in the next few days. I live in the Canary Islands so some research is difficult for me.
Thanks again for your help
Best wishes
Wendy
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You're in the Can...ary Islands, and I'm in Can...ada. ;) So we suffer similar disadvantages!
I do find it can be worth following up on coincidences and similarities like this. A possibility, and the more obvious and likely one than adoption, is that Mathew Elwood died and widow Jane married Mitchell, and her son took the stepfather's name. This is extremely common, and when it happened later it can often be figured out from censuses, i.e. by finding the child in question under the original surname in an earlier record, with the mother in her previous marriage. For these dates, no such hope.
The first born daughter in the Francis Mitchell - Mary Jupp marriage being Jane (Mary, or he and Mary, already having a daughter Ann, after her mother) does suggest that Francis's mother was a Jane.
Good luck and good fun!
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Hello Wendy,
Just to muddy the waters I am not sure if I have been in touch with you about a William Mitchell died August 9th 1923 aged 84 years. He was buried in Hill's cemetery, Horsham.
I have a card printed "In loving Memory". I have tried to find out a bit more about him and I am not sure if I am going up a blind alley. My research has given me that he married a Eunice Sayers Streater at Christmas 1862 when William was aged 20. I believe Eunice is the illegitimate child of Elizabeth Streater (was Sayers the father?). If my findings are correct is it possible you could confirm this. Also,at their wedding the GF was William Mitchell and a witness was Ann Streater.
This card was in my late aunt's possession and I cannot understand the connection yet to my family. Hoping your confirmation may help.
Kind regards,
Mike
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Hi Michael
I don't think that there is any connection but I will see what I can find out as I have the BMD CD for St Marys parish church, Horsham
Best wishes,
Wendy
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Added :-
Any help with this brickwall gratefully received. Have checked out Kathryn B's lead re Francis Elwood but can't find a connection
Wendy
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Ha ha te heee
Ive got Jupps and mitchell on my tree all from Sussex, but you might need to go back to 1066 and all that to get any connection!
As none of your dates tie up with mine!
In spite of numerous churches in that area they managed to give marriage a slip and reared huge families with misleading names .!
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Hi Lindsey
Are you my answer to a prayer??? I have got the CD of the parish records for St Mary the Virgin which is Horsham parish church. The records go from somewhere in the 1500's to the late 1890's. Let me know if you need any look ups or verification of info.
Unless I find parents of Francis Edward Mitchell my g g grandfather I can't see me getting much further back on this line. I used to live in Horsham and would love a few days there doing a bit of work on my tree but as I live in tenerife there is not much chance of me doing that
Wendy
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Oh just swap places with grey dingey England, I can't fly any more
I had help from the Sussex History Society they were brilliant. I will work out a way to open my tree and you can have a play around.
Bearing in mind my Constable murdered a Jupp !
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Thanks Lindsey - If you want access to my tree just let me know.
Wendy
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Nudging in case there are any new people with information.
Wendy
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