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Can anyone tell me who the father of Charles Jones Morris is?

He was born on 28 August 1882 at 107 Herbert Road, Deritend, Aston, Birmingham and his father is not stated on his birth certificate. His mother is stated as Elizabeth Ann Morris, a dressmaker.
His marriage certificate states his father as Richard Morris, a gunsmith.

Can anyone tell me perhaps from family recollections passed down the line whether in fact this is true or point me in a direction where I can verify this (or disprove it).

I know for a fact that things went on in the Morris family that should not happen and if someone can tell me whether that is what happened here I would be very grateful as it will save me a lot of time.

I just want my tree to reflect fact rather than fiction irrespective of whether there are relationships that shouldn't really have taken place. It's my heritage whether it is good or bad.

Many thanks in advance for your help!

Looks as though Richard might have been his grandfather

1891 census

Name: Charles J Morris
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 62
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Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Morris 55 Occ -Gun lock files
Catherine J Morris 50
Elizabeth A Morris 28 Occ-Dressmaker
Charles J Morris 8

1871

me: Richard Morris
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Setnhall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
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Household schedule number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Morris 35
Catherine Morris 30
Elizabeth Ann Morris 8
Hannah Willoughby 20 Visitor

1881

Name: Richard Morris
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Catherine J.
Gender: Male
Where born: Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 61 Hawkes St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gun Lock Filer

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 75
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Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Morris 45
Catherine J. Morris 40
Elizabeth A. Morris 18
Laura K. Morris 9

Births Jun 1871
MORRIS Laura Kate Aston 6d 261

Deaths Jun 1898
Morris Laura Kate 26 Aston 6d 136

Births Dec 1862
Morris Elizabeth Ann Aston 6d 320

Look like Elizabeth married.In the 1891 census William is living two doors up from the Morris family.

Marriages Jun 1897

Morris Elizabeth Ann Solihull 6d 1222
Sheriff William Baker Solihull 6d 1222

1901

Elizabeth Sherriff
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William B
Gender: Female
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
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Household schedule number: 121
Household Members:
Name Age
William B Sherriff 45
Elizabeth Sherriff 38
Herbert Sherriff 18

1901

ame: Charles Jones Morris
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
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Household schedule number: 127
Household Members:
Name Age
Laura Cartwright 38
Alfred Allen Cartwright 14
Lilian Cartwright 13
Edward Sloper 27
Thomas Harvey 21
Charles Jones Morris 18 Occ-Railway Engine Fireman

Hi Sue from Perth,

You have been busy. I can't thank you enough for the information you have given me. You're a star!

Many thanks!

Tootsie

Hi Tootsie

My pleasure

Regards Sue

Illegitimate children often cited their grandfather as their father on the marriage cert as it gave them,,respectability,,to be able to name a father,even if it was ficticious.
I had one the other day exactly the same for a woman in my D.I.L s tree.
Jones as his middle name may mean that his father was a jones,or it may have been his grandmothers maiden name.
viv

Thanks Vivienne - I'll look into the Jones side to see what the connection is there. I know what you mean about grandparents claiming to be parents to give respectability. My sister's friend was brought up by her grandparents and believed them to be her parents. Her 'sister' was actually her mother.

I am purely looking for the facts of my blood line and base my results on evidence. I am finding conflicting evidence between censuses and certificates where it is clear in some cases that relationships to the head of house are mis-stated to attempt to cover up the truth.

I do know for a fact that incest / sexual abuse of children has happened on my maternal grandfather's side of the family so I am just bearing it in mind when I hit confusing data.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply.

Tootsie