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How would you feel about Edward Ernest rather than Ernest Edward?
And a common misspelling of Ernest.

Reversal of names was not uncommon. This would be my second here today. ;)


1911

PEARCE EDWARD EARNEST 1871 40 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

There are no other Pearces in the household with him. There seems to be no one else living with him. (I'm using the free search and tricks; I can't see the fulll results.)

A little old, but not out of the question.

Oh, right, I'm a moron. I point out his name is misspelled and then don't misspell it when I search the 1911 for people living with him. Here they are -- these names match with the marriage and 1901 census I already speculated about lower down:

PEARCE ANNIE MARION 1871 40 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
PEARCE EVA 1898 13 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
PEARCE JACK 1900 11 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
PEARCE GUY 1902 9 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
PEARCE ALICE 1906 5 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
PEARCE BERT 1908 3 Cheltenham Gloucestershire



This is very possibly his marriage:

Marriages Sep 1895
Bunting Elizabeth Cheltenham 6a 714
> Norris Annie Marion Cheltenham 6a 714
> Pearce Edward Ernest Cheltenham 6a 714
Steptoe William Richard H Cheltenham 6a 714


Yes - because this is him in 1901:

Name: Edward E Pearce
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie M
Where born: Hampen, Gloucestershire, England
Occupation: Bricklayer's labourer

>> Civil parish: Charlton Kings

Edward E Pearce 30
Annie M Pearce 30
Rosie Pearce 4
Eva Pearce 3
Jack Pearce 1


So what I'm wondering is whether he was maybe Thomas's grandfather, not father.

Was Rosie or Eva Thomas's mother, and Thomas's parents not married?

That wouldn't be unusual either.

In any event, those seem to be the Pearces of Charlton Kings.


Note that Rosie from 1901 is not in the 1911 household. I think this must be her birth:

Births Jun 1896
Pearce Florence Rosina N Cheltenham 6a 414

Here she is in 1911:

PEARCE FLORENCE ROSINA 1897 14 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

living with

DAINTON CLARA 1882 29 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
DAINTON GEORGE HENRY 1905 6 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
DAVES BEATRICE AMY 1873 38 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
DAVIES VIOLET MAUD 1909 2 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
STOKES FREDERICK ERENEST 1886 25 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
TINKER MATTIE 1879 32 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

from what I can tell. Her occupation is servant, but other than that I don't know what the household is, as I'm not paying to see details.


I don't see an obvious marriage for Florence R Pearce ...


Still no closer to finding your Thomas's birth. But that's a theory. He named his grandfather rather than his father on his marriage certificates, because his parents weren't married and his father wasn't a Pearce.



Daughter Eva for info, since I'm looking at it:

Births Dec 1897
Pearce Eva Lilian A Cheltenham 6a 398

Marriages Dec 1922
CLEVELEY William H D Pearce Cheltenham 6a 934
PEARCE Eva L A Cleveley Cheltenham 6a 934

For you ... I searched the 1911 for the address VINEYARD COTTAGE in Charlton Kings.

The closest thing is VINE COTTAGE. It was occupied by a MASON family.

When I googled Vine Cottage I found someone enquiring about the Mason familiy:

http://www.cheltenham4u.co.uk/community/familyhistory_messages.asp

You could consider posting a message there too (no capitals, and wise to leave out all those square brackets) asking about a Pearce family living at Vineyard Cottage in the 1930s. Joyce at that site seems able to answer questions about addresses.

Not reading shouting, CH.

It is no one else's fault that you gave the *wrong* info several times running!

RIGHT LETS GET THIS DONE FOR THE LAST TIME

THOMAS ERNEST PEARCE] [DIED ON THE 29TH DEC 1967
HIS AGE AT DEATH WAS 53YRS

ON HIS MARRIAGE CERT IT PUTS HIS AGE AT 25 SO THAT PUT'S HIM BORN IN 1914 BUT ACORDING TO HIS THREE DAUGHTERS HE WAS BORN IN 1913
HIS DEATH CERT SAY'S SAY'E [THOMAS ERNEST PEARCE]
IS MARRIAGE CERT SAY'S [ THOMAS ERNEST PEARCE] HE DIED ON THE 29 DEC 1967 BY BEING HIT BY A CAR AND HE DIED OF [ SHOCH &MULTIPLE INJUTIES] INCULDING A FRACTURED SKULL]

HIS MARRIAGE CERT SAY'S THAT HIS FATHER [ ERNEST EDWARD PEARCE ]

[DECEASED]HIS OCUPATION WAS [FARM LABOURER]

SO THE ONES I AM LOOKING FOR HIS FATHER
[ERNEST EDWARD PEARCE] & MOTHER WHO I DONT KNOW]
SO I HOPE THAT CEARE THINGS UP
I DO ARPSHEAT THE ONES WHO HELPS ME
KINDS REGARDS
ANTHONYXXX

PS LAST KNOWN ADDRESS FOR HIM [OR PARENTS WAS VINEYARD COTTAGE
CHARLTON KINGS CHELTENHAM GLOS THAT WAS IN 1939]

Tony, you have the marriage certificate in front of you.

You should be able to tell us what it says.

It does not say what you are saying it says.

The 1939 marriage is:

THOMAS E PEARCE **not** Ernest Thomas Pearce
and
Hilda M NEATE not Hilda M NEAT.
married in Bridgend reg dist.

Seriously. Thomas Ernest, NOT Ernest Thomas. Pretty simple. How would you find his birth if you are looking under the wrong name? How would any one else?????

If you have the marriage certificate, why would you not just post WHAT IT SAYS?


If you search at FreeBMD you will see THERE IS NO Thomas E Pearce born 1914.

You are taking his age from the marriage certificate? In 1939, he said he was 25?

Or from his death record? What age does it say he was when he died in 1967?

... Alrighty. NO THOMAS E PEARCE died in 1967. More goose chases.


You CAN'T identify his parents unless you can find his birth.

This one looks the most likely, I would think:

Births Jun 1912
PEARCE Thomas E Griffiths Pontypridd 11a 1433

Have you seen that?

So did you search to see whether an Ernest Pearce married a Griffiths around that time?

I have. It's the obvious thing to do. There was one possible Ernest (no middle name) + Griffiths marriage, in 1907. In Cleobury Mortimer registry district, which "spans the boundaries of the counties of Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire".

There are several Ernest E/Edward Pearce marriages 1900-1915. Two in Gloucestershire, in 1909 (Ernest Edward) and 1910 (Ernest E).


No magic wands here. All you can do is order a birth certificate for a likely-looking birth and see whether the father is Ernest Edward Pearce.


Because of the timeframe -- WWI -- I searched Canadian Expeditionary Forces attestation papers to see whether Ernest Edward Pearce might have been a Canadian soldier. There are several Ernest Pearce-s, but none with that middle name.


It is possible that the father's name was really Ernest Edmund, or even Edwin, rather than Edward. The two names were often muddled (my grandfather born 1901 thought all his life that his name was Edward, but it was really Edmund) and Edward is the more 'modern' name.

hi one &all]
let me put things right as it is all confuesin the one's i been trying to find are as flowers ]
mary hilda neat [B]1914 carephilly her mother [katie neat carephilly]

next one [ernest [thomas pearce] [B] 1914 where don/t know

but have just got is wedding cert he were married in 1939 to hilda mary neat] it showed the address he was liveing at at the time of his marrage
was at [VINEYARD COTTAGE CHARLTTON KINGS CHELTENHAM GLOUS] he died in 1967 was killed by a hit and run driver]

the next person i am looking for is his father [ ernest edward pearce
on the wedding cert it had him down as being dead in 1939 so don't know where he was born or died ???
so i hope this will celar things up with the ones who helps me
kinds regards ant[CH]XX

There are two Pearce-O'Shea births in Cheltenham around 1950.

But for the life of me I don't know what this marriage you have the certificate for is.

Or where you have got the 1914 date of birth ...

Well, CH, congrats on coming back to the old thread this time instead of starting a new one, anyhow!

But nothing is making sense.

Started out saying it was Ronald E Pearce 1914. (Well, Perace.)

Then you told me it was Thomas Ernest Pearce.

Now you say: "ernest thomas pearce born 1914"

Hmm. That really was a big goosechase you started. Really.


So what is the question now?

Are you looking for his children? Well then we have to know whom he married. James in Birmingham or Jackman in Uxbridge? Assuming that what you said meant that he married in 1939.


No Ernest T Pearce was born in 1914.

hi have got the wedding certof ernest thomas pearce born 1914]
took a long time to find it but got it now
trying to find his father&mother his father was a [ERNEST EDWARD PEARCE] HE HAD DIED BEFOR HIS SON MARRIED IN1939]
WHATi have found they lived at
[ vineyard cottage
charlton kings
cheltenham gloustershire
thats it sorry ho he was a farme labourer]
regards [CH]

Anthony tells me it's Pearce. (I didn't realize this was Anthony whom I've got to know quite well from helping him find other family members.)

And O'Shea wasn't Mary's birth surname; it was the surname of the couple who adopted her. She was born Mary H Neat. But her mother was from near Bridgend -- so you may be onto something with that Ronald Pierce in Bridgend, Ethel!

Oh, oops, no. Anthony tells me he has now learned that the name is *Thomas* Ernest Pearce.

And I can't find a likely candidate for eitther person in the births.

And now I'll chide Anthony for sending people on wild goose chases with wrong names.


I wonder whether the couple who adopted Mary just registered her as theirs:


Name: Mary O'Shea
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Horris
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1809


Anthony -- when did they marry? You gotta know that, their wedding date.

With that, I can find the marriage registration and you can order it to see what it says about their ages and their father's names, since it seems you don't have that.

Hi Anthony.
As you can see from the other letters you have received this is a difficult one.

I think the spelling of Perace could be wrong, as I have tried to find anyone of that name on any of the index'x without success.

I have found two for 1914 that could be possibles.

Ronald E Pierce 1914. Jan/March Qtr. reg in Bridgend. vol 1b 1954. Mother Evans.

and
Ronald E D Pearse. July/Sept. Qtr. reg in UXBRIDGE. Gt London. vol 3a 101.

Hope this helps. Ethel.

Ditto for the spelling of Mary's name, btw.

There are many Mary O'Shea-s born around that time, but no Mary O'Shae-s.

Spelling really, really does count when you're looking for people by name.

Might this be him?


Name: Ronald Pearce
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Ponting
District: Clutton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 836


If the dob 1914 is derived from the age on his marriage certificate, and he married before his birthday that year, 1913 would be the right year.

Unless he was just lying about it all, like my gr-grfather's sister when she said she was 19 in July 1975 when she married, and I finally found her getting born in late 1854, making her nearly 21 when she married a man two years younger. ;)

If you want to find more about him, you'll probably have to get the marriage certificate to verify his father's name, which can then be checked against the birth certificate for any likely looking candidate.

Hmm ... Perace, or Pearce?

Pearce is a very common name in Cornwall. I don't think Perace is a name. ;)

try to find a Ronald. E. Perace from cornwall /sommerset as far as got that is where he came from d.o.b 1914 maried a mary o;shae she came from wales but lived in cheltenham d.o.b 1914 any offers of help greatfully needed [mark]