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good evening ,
can anyone help i have been looking for a birth record for twin brothes born in 1856.
thomas and richard roberts born in islington london.
i have found them on the 1861,1871 and i believe i found richard on the 1891 and poss thomas but notsure abt him.
what i cannot seem to find is their birth record you would think that if they were twins it would be easier to spot!
any help appreciated
thank you
elaine

Where have you been looking? If it was for a registration, you may not find it because birth registration didn't become compulsory until 1875.

Registration wasn't complusory until 1875. They might simply not have been registered.

Andy

possible

Name: Richard Roberts
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 258 (click to

Name: Thomas Henry Roberts
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 171 (click

please give parents names so we can pin them down on the census records

hi all,
thanks for your help,
i have their parents as being george roberts and selina dont have a surname for her.
i have been looking on the birth reg silly me yes it probably was before registration didnt think of that.
oh i hope they were twins ,i have i think found richard on the 1891 census following in the trade of his father a gilder and i think thomas was a bootlaster whatever that was if they were twins it will be interesting to see how similar or how different their lives turned out.
elaine

It looks as if they WERE twins.

1861

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ROBERTS, Geog Head Married M 33 1828 Gilder
Shoreditch
ROBERTS, Selina Wife F 33 1828
Marylebone
ROBERTS, Selina Daughter F 9 1852
Islington
ROBERTS, Geo Son M 7 1854
Islington
ROBERTS, Richd Son M 5 1856
Islington
ROBERTS, Thos Son M 5 1856
Islington

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
146 Folio:
72 Page:
62

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
2 Islington East EnumerationDistrict:
36 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peters

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
St Peter Address:
41, Windsor Street, Islington, St Peter County:
London, Middlesex

If they were born in Islington, they wont have been registered in the Greater London district.

I think this might be the parents marriage reg.

Marriages Jun 1851 (>99%)

Clark Selina Islington 3 227
Roberts George Islington 3 227

It looks like the most probable as it took place in Islington, where it appears the birth registrations may have also taken place. Timing also matches the birth of their eldest child Selina (see census record above).

Hope this helps in some way.

Regards,
Rebecca

Selina's birth reg:

Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Roberts Selina Islington 1b 211

Unfortunately too may George ROBERTS born Islington abt 1854 to be sure of his birth reg.

Regards,
Rebecca

hi all,
yes i had them on the 1861 census thats where i got poss twins from and again in 1871 census.
if they were twins and reg together would they be on the same page or pages next to each other?
elaine

When you search the actual indeces the names are listed alphabetically. Maybe that's why the page numbers are different? Just a guess on my part.

Rebecca

Sorry.....but I dont think they were registered.........unless someone can find differently!

1871 census transcription details for: Lisson Grove, Marylebone, London
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 179 Folio: 51 Page: 6


Reg. District: Marylebone Sub District: Christchurch
Enum. District: 21 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Marylebone City/Municipal Borough: London

Address: Lisson Grove, Marylebone, London
County: London, Middlesex


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born

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ROBERTS, George Head M 43 1828 Middlesex

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ROBERTS, Selina Wife F 43 1828 Middlesex

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ROBERTS, Selina Daughter F 18 1853 Middlesex

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ROBERTS, Richard Son M 15 1856 Middlesex

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ROBERTS, Thomas M 13 1858 Middlesex (original scan looks like age 15 or 13 - is questionable!)

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hi all,

yes it certainly will help i suppose the only way to be sure is to get certs.
the census say selina (wife) was born marylebone.
yes you see my problem too many george roberts !
many thanks for all your help, its good to know there is help out there when things start getting you frustrated !
thanks!

elaine

Think this might be mother Selina's death reg:

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
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Roberts Selina 52 Marylebone 1a 506


Regards,
Rebecca

hi all,
of course ! yes they would be alphabetical, i really am not with it tonight , been a long day at work probably should of left this until the weekend but like so many of you im sure i am hooked!
elaine

hi rebecca,
thanks for that , thats young 52 i will get certs to see if it is her better start with marriage one first.
if it is her she was my gtgtgt grandmother.
i wonder if richard and thomas grandchildren had a set of twins as i have family photos of a set of male twins saliors!
i am intrigued better slow down getting carried away a bit
thanks for all help
elaine

Certainly sounds interesting. Good luck, Rebecca

Rebecca - they're only listed alphabetically in the index (Hallelujah) - in the register, they're listed by order of registration.