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John Taylor, my g.grandfather, stated on the census returns for 1901 and 1911 that he was born in Mellor, Derbyshire and from the age given the year of birth was 1848
Mellor was then a tiny village close to Marple Bridge which was then in Derbyshire but is now in Cheshire or even part of the Metropolitan borough of Stockport.
The GRO have been unable to trace a birth record for the years 1847-51.
There was a Taylor family living at Marple Bridge Forge in 1861
who had a son, John, born c. 1850. Can this be "my" John Taylor.
Would appreciate any info from decendants of John Taylor, late of Old St Broadbottom, Mottram, Cheshire. His daughter, Mary Ann, born 1886/7 was my paternal grandmother.
I am Frank Ballington

From John's marriage certificate, what was his fathe's name and occupation please?


Is this your John in 1891 please?

Name: John Taylor
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Ann Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Mellor, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Mottram
Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram St Michael
Town: Broadbottom
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Mottram
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 41 Mill engine driver
Sarah Ann Taylor 36
Ellen Taylor 15
Fred Taylor 9
Joseph Taylor 7
Mary Ann Taylor 4
Amy Taylor 2
Thomas Eda Cryer 21
Sarah A Cryer 24

Until 1875, there was no penalty for not registering births, so his birth may simply not have been registered.

Try looking for a baptism.................

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1851

John Taylor
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Taylor
Mother's name: Dinah Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Mellor, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Mellor
Ecclesiastical parish: Mellor
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 34 >>>>>>>Coal Miner>>>>Born Chapel en le Frith
Dinah Taylor 34
Fanny Taylor 12
Mary Taylor 10
Martha Taylor 7
George Taylor 5
John Taylor 3
William Taylor 21

Their marriage
The district High Peak spans the boundaries of the counties of Cheshire and Derbyshire

Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
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>>>Barber Dinah High Peak 19 410
FROST John High Peak 19 410
GODDARD William High Peak 19 410
Middleton Phoebe The High Peak 19 410
SIMPSON Ann High Peak 19 410
>>>TAYLOR John The High Peak 19 410
WALKER William High Peak 19 410
WOOD Hannah The High Peak 19 410

John appears to marry Alice in 1870

John Taylor
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Mellor, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Disley
Ecclesiastical parish: Disley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 23 >>>>Bobbin Turner
Alice Taylor 21 >>>>Born Mellor


Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
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NADEN Alice Hayfield 7b 847
TAYLOR John Hayfield 7b 847


and she dies in 1872

Deaths Dec 1872 (>99%)
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TAYLOR Alice 23 Hayfield 7b 416

This is a possible marriage to Sarah Ann but we need to know from Frank what her maiden name was.

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
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Bradwell Sarah Ann Chapel En Le Frith 7b 1033
Cottrill Annie Chapel le F. 7b 1033
Taylor John Chapel le F. 7b 1033
Watson Robert Chapel Le F. 7b 1033

Thanks for the info re John Taylor. Regret I do not have surname of his second wife, Sarah Ann. who may have I tried to obtain copy birth cert for their daughter, Mary Ann but there is no record of her birth 1886-88.
Looking now for decendants of Fred, Josep or Sidney, sons of John and Sarah who may have more family data. I know that Sidney, son of the above Sidney Taylor, married Ellen (Nellie), daughter of Mary Ann Taylor.
Frank Ballington (g.grandson of John Taylor)

If you are looking for living descendants, try 'search trees' at the top.

What about this for Mary Ann's birth?

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
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Taylor Mary Ann Ashton 8d 569

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Cheshire BMD gives MMN......

TAYLOR Mary Ann Mottram Tameside CHADWICK MOT/25/41

Younger sister AMY

TAYLOR Amy Bradbury Mottram Tameside CHADWICK MOT/26/67

Groom's Name: John Taylor
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Sarah Ann Bradwell
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 13 Jul 1874
Marriage Place: Hope, Derbyshire, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Taylor
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Allen Bradwell
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01218-8
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1752114
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

1883

TAYLOR Joseph Mottram Tameside CHADWICK MOT/23/60

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
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Chadwick Sarah Ann Ashton 8d 659
Duckworth James Ashton 8d 659
Taylor John Ashton 8d 659
WIGGIN Annie Ashton 8d 659

1881

TAYLOR Fred Mottram Tameside CHADWICK

1885

TAYLOR George Mottram Tameside CHADWICK

And his death

Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%)
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TAYLOR George 0 Ashton 8d 417

Births Sep 1875 (>99%)
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Taylor Ellen Ashton 8d 478


The cert will be the only way to find out who her mother was.............

Frank - you haven't actually answered many of the questions. Is the 1891 census posted the correct John Taylor (seems to be as you are now asking about the children listed on it).

What was John's father's name and occupation from his marriage certificate please? It may then be possible to identify John with his parents on the 1851 census to narrow the year of his birth.

To find descendants of the children on the 1891 census try searching trees on this site or looking on Freebmd. You say the Sidney Taylor married Ellen, daughter of Mary Ann Taylor. Was Taylor also Ellen's surname please?

nnn

Thanks for the info .
In response to the questions - 1891 census is definately the right family, address known from family records.

I do not yet have John's fathers forename. Not yet found his marriage to Sarah Ann.

Sidney Taylor, son of John Taylor, also had a son Sidney who, late in life, married Ellen (Nellie) widow of Frank Taylor. (This Frank Taylor was also related to, but not a son of John Taylor. )
Her maiden name was Ballington.
Mary Ann Taylor, sister of Sidney Taylor the first married Samuel William Ballington in 1908. Look at my family tree - two of my father's siblinhgs married their cousins!!
I will apply today for a birth cert for my garndma, Mary Ann using the Ashton filio and page number.

We can't look at your tree via the boards

What do you think of all the births with MMN CHADWICK.....and the marriage to CHADWICK?