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Thanks for your help so far.

Dea - yes it does state Wynn, but i have a couple of old family letters that state it is Gwynn or Gyinn. I assume it was transcribed wrong onto the birth certificate.

Births Jun 1848 (>99%)
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Gwynn Mary Monmouth 26 95


birth of the 1851 census Mavis found



1851
Name: Mary Gwyne
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mercia
Gender: Female
Where born: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14


June x

Hi,

Have I got lost here? - looking at your gt.grandfathers birth cert (Richard c 1888) - mothers maiden name is clearly Wynn?

Dea x

this may be Mary 1851
West Dean 2444 folio 268

Thoms Gwyne 40y Haullier Glo. Newland
Maria Gwyne 38y Hereford Worwely
[Wormsley?]
Maria Gwyne 18y West Dean
Sarah Gwyne 13y West Dean
Thomas Gwyne 10y West Dean
Hubert Gwyne 8y West Dean
Jane A Gwyne 6y West Dean
Mary Gwyne 3y West Dean

The family seem to be split up 1861

Mavis

1871

Name: Mary Gyinn
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Cloford, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Shelton
Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members: Name Age
Osmond A Archer 19
Thomas A Archer 17
Francis B Clive 13
David Coakley 23
Emma Forrester 18
Mary Gyinn 21
Jane Humphreys 21
Richd B Mellard 16
Henry Metcalf 15
Charles M Osmond 38
Isabella Osmond 39
William W Walton 11

unmarried

June x

Samuel appears as married on the 1871

yeah thats the 1881 entry for them thanks.

Here's my g-grandads birth certificate: http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u48/mex_lup/richardharrisbirthcert.jpg

Thanks for your help so far - that would make sense about the father being called Esau.

As for births - i think i've narrowed it down to two but i wanted to get hold of the marriage certificate first. The most likely surname of his wife is Gyinn I think.

Is this them in 1881?


1881 England Census
about Samuel Harris
Name: Samuel Harris
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Off Scott Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Harris 4
Annie Harris
Mary Harris 31
Samuel Harris 36
Thomas Harris 8
William Harris 6

Looks like that he would have married in Staffs

1871 England Census
about Samuel Harris
Name: Samuel Harris
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Shelton
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Harris 27
Maria Phillips 24
Hannah Roberts 44

1851

Name: Esan Harris image reads Esau
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: East Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Harris 45
Esan Harris 57
Matilda Harris 4
*******Samuel Harris 62 six on image
Timothy Harris 12





June x

Looking at the 1861 image I would say his father is called Esau and not Elan

Andy

Births Mar 1845 (>99%)
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HARRIS Samuel Westbury on Severn 11 516


The district Westbury on Severn is in the county of Gloucestershire


June x

There are lots of Samuel Harris birth registered in 1846, have you discounted them all?

1861

Name: Samuel Harris
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Elan
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: East Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Harris 65
Elan Harris 60
Esau Harris 23
Mary Harris 3
Matilda Harris 14
Samuel Harris 16




1881

Name: Samuel Harris
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Off Scott Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Harris 4
Annie Harris
Mary Harris 31
Samuel Harris 36
Thomas Harris 8
William Harris 6


same birth place

June x

I've been trying for months now to find info and birth or marriage certificates of my great great grandfather but not having any luck. If anyone could point me in the right direction that'd be a great help.

here is all the info i have:

Samuel Harris c.1846, born Gloucester?

He had 5 children, Thomas (c1873), William (c1875), Albert (c1877), Annie (c1881) and Richard (1888)

3 of the children were born in Staffs, 2 in Wigan.

His wifes name was Mary (c.1848). My g. grandads birth certificate appears to list her surname as Wynn but I don't think this is correct. I've got 2 old letters, one appears to put her surname as 'Gyinn' and one as 'Qyinn'

I think he has a brother named Esau (c1838) and 2 sisters, Matilda(c1847) and Mary (c1858). His father is likely to be Elan Harris (c1801) and mother Anne (c1798)