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Gosh,

I am glad I "ignored" and put up the 1881 census ..... otherwise Kim would not have believed we had the correct family!!


sylvia

thankyou,i think i cant c wood for trees

Hi Kim,

Your list does match to Sylvia's for 1881, making allowances for the ages being a year or two different - whilst people did not always report ages accurately, the combination of children's forenames in a particular order in a family is usually a dead give-away:

leonard allen born 1885 (won't be on 1881)
annie 16 (not on 1881 - perhaps with a relative?)
charles 15 (aged 6 in 1881)
florence 1 (won't be on 1881)
frederick 12 (aged 0 in 1881)
george 20 (aged 10 in 1881)

[edit: the matches extend further than this - the parent's names and places of birth are the same, as are the father's occupation, and the places of birth of the children still at home in 1891]

Have a look for Annie in 1881, and you may even get info on the extended family ....

You can search 1881 for free here:

http://tinyurl.com/56s5cw

dont think this is the same james allen. i have him in 1891 with differant children. my grt grandfather leonard allen born 1885 annie 16 charles 15 florence 1 frederick 12 and george 20 living in camberwell.

You should buy his marriage certificate, that will tell you his father's name and occupation, and thus help you go further back. There are a number of James Allnes born in the relevant period in the London area.

The certiifcate will cost you £7 from www.gro.gov.uk ..... the ONLY way you can see the information is by buyinbg the certificate. Be sure to answer YES when they ask if you have the GRO reference number.



You can access the free 1881 Census on www.familysearch.org.




sylvia

1871 Census from ancestry

Name: James Allen
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: St George; Southwark
Civil Parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Allen 27
Elizabeth Allen 6
George Allen 12 days
James Allen 27 Upholsterer
James Allen 2
May A Allen 4


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1881 Census from ancestry

Name: James Allen
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 5 Harriss Place
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Upholsterer

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Charles H. Allen 6
Edith L. Allen 2
Elizabeth Allen 34
Frances M Allen 8
Frederick L. Allen
George V. Allen 10
James Allen 35
James L. Allen 12
Lizzie R. Allen 16
James Rumbol 36




sylvia

This is his marriage.............

James Patrick Allen 1864 Jan-Feb-Mar Kensington Greater London, London, Middlesex
Elizabeth Sarah Rumbol 1864 Jan-Feb-Mar Kensington Greater London, London, Middlesex

He is on the FREE 1881........put in his name and occupation to locate him

prior to 1891 i cannot find any info on james allen c1846 possible p.o.b. camberwell london. this is where he was living with wife elizabeth in 1891 and their children, annie,charles,florence,frederick, and george. james was an upholsterer. any help would be appreciated