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Could he be the grandfather perhaps?

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Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 1 Aug 2008 21:27

See below

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 1 Aug 2008 21:28

William Lewis Chantrell b. 1828 was an equestrian performer and acrobat, as was his wife, his three daughters and, I believe, his son, William James Chantrell (b. 28 July, 1859). There are posters to be found on the web of The Chantrell Family and Herr Chantrell, ‘patronized by royalty’: also I have found a photograph of the family.

On 20 December 1916 Thomas William Chantrell was born, the son of a trapeze artiste, and he died on 15th July 2001. This information I have obtained from his obituary in the Guardian, also on the internet. I am wondering whether William James Chantrell could have been Thomas Chantrell’s grandfather.

I need to get copies of certificates but I haven’t the information. Could anyone help, please?

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 1 Aug 2008 21:32

Birth reg. for Thomas William?


Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Chantrell Thomas W Tew Chorlton 8c 1224

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 1 Aug 2008 21:33

You don't say where he was born?

There is this birth on FreeBMD (its free)

Births Mar 1917
Chantrell Thomas W Tew Chorlton 8c 1224

Mother's maiden name is Tew.

Selena

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 1 Aug 2008 21:34

Parents marriage?

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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>>Chantrell William James Chorlton 8c 1508
HODGKINSON Louisa Chorlton 8c 1508
Oldham William Chorlton 8c 1508
>>Tew Emily Louisa Chorlton 8c 1508

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 1 Aug 2008 21:35

Thanks - will follow up.

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 1 Aug 2008 21:35

The parents marriage (if its the right Thomas)

Marriages Jun 1898
Chantrell William James Chorlton 8c 1508
Tew Emily Louisa Chorlton 8c 1508

Perhaps someone can find William James on the 1901 to see who he is with?

Selena

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 1 Aug 2008 21:37

Thanks Selena - I think he was born in Birmingham but I need to follow up that one.

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 1 Aug 2008 21:38

This is from familysearch.org

WILLIAM JAMES CHANTRELL
Birth: 28 JUL 1859

Christening: 21 AUG 1859 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

Father: WILLIAM CHANTRELL
Mother: NANCY

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 1 Aug 2008 21:39

Birth ref:

Births Sep 1859
Chantrell William James Westminster 1a 290

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 1 Aug 2008 21:40

The marriage to Nancy, so its seems they moved to London between 1857-1859.

Marriages Jun 1857
CHANTRELL William Lewis Birmingham 6d 35
GEORGE Nancy Birmingham 6d 35

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 1 Aug 2008 21:51

You're right, Selena. You've got the right family. Now I'd like to follow up William James Chantrell, whose birth cert. I have, and see whether I get to Tom Chantrell (the one in the Guardian obituary) and the son of the trapeze artiste.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 1 Aug 2008 22:06

All your searching and help appreciated and I'll go on with this tomorrow!

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 1 Aug 2008 22:34

I think you will have to buy Tom's birth cert 1917 to see if his father is William James and William's marriage 1898 to see if his father is William Lewis.

Good luck I hope you get the connection,

Selena

PS An 1861 census might confirm the connections between the Two Williams.

Selena

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 1 Aug 2008 23:21

1861 census
156 North St., Leeds, Yorkshire
W. L. Chantrell, head, 33, professor of gymnastics, born London
Nancy, wife, 33, born Scotland
N. Eliz., dau, 5, born London
Wm. Ja., son, 19 months, born London
Sidney Smith, apprentice, 17, gymnastics, born London
Thomas Grammer, apprentice, 14, gymnastics, born London
Edwin Smith, apprentice, 10, gymnastics, born Liverpool
Charles Cuppin, apprentice, 8, gymnastics, born London

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 1 Aug 2008 23:27

1871 census
3 Brunswick St., Stockton on Tees, Durham
William Lewis Chantrell, head, 44, acrobat & equestrian, born London
William James, son, 11, acrobat & equestrian, born Knightsbridge
Charles Crippen, apprentice, 19, acrobat & equestrian, born Shoreditch

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 2 Aug 2008 10:23

Seems like Charles Cuppin and Charles Crippen could be same person.

Selena

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 2 Aug 2008 14:13

Thank you, Margaret. As Selena says, I am going to get the certificates now I have the information.
In fact, thanks all for your help.