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20 Aug 2008 22:32 |
Robert Hillier married Elvire D'Argent 4/3/1861 Elvire's father was Predant Alfonse D'Argent both were from France(don't know where!) Some time between 1861-1871 Elvire seems to disappear completely. I cannot find any death records for Elvire Hillier but on the 1871 census Robert is living with his new 'wife' Hannah Amelia Jarrett and two sons Robert and Joseph. I can't find a marriage record for Robert and Hannah either! on their son's birth certs hannah's surname is Hillier late Greenough formerly Jarrett.(I have found her previous marriage). Any thought's/help would be great!
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June
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20 Aug 2008 22:40 |
1861
Name: Elvire Hillier Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: France Civil Parish: Westminster St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Westminster Sub registration district: St Margaret ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 418 Household Members: Name Age Jas Barrett 16 Mary Dymond 24 Elvire Hillier 18 Robt Hillier 26 Henry Holmes 44 John Holmes 43 Frances McKenzie 32 Kenneth McKenzie 47 Kennith McKenzie 9 Pauline McKenzie 7
Name: Elvier Hillier Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Year of Registration: 1899 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 55 District: Lambeth County: Greater London, London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 234 (click to see others on page
maybe he never married again because wife was still alive
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20 Aug 2008 22:53 |
Thanks for that June, I've been looking for her death for ages! buying that cert for sure, hopefully it'll give me some answers and not more mystery!
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20 Aug 2008 22:59 |
I don't suppose anyone can find elvire on the 1871,81,91 census????? i've looked and looked but can't see her perhaps a fresh pair of eyes can?
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Nickydownsouth
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20 Aug 2008 23:21 |
Could this be her in 1881....?
John NORTH Head M Male 68 Byfleet, Surrey, England Publican Sarah NORTH Wife M Female 63 Byfleet, Surrey, England Eulatie HILLYER Visitor U Female 48 Boulogne, France Emma SMITH Visitor U Female 23 Newman, Hampshire, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Kings Head Census Place Byfleet, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341180 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0769 / 59 Page Number 7
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Busy Bee
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21 Aug 2008 01:36 |
Hi
Re: June's find of the death entry for Elvier Hillier in Lambeth 1899 it would be intersting to see who the informant was on death cert
On account of this, I thought perhaps Elvire might be in the Lambeth area in earlier censuses,
This is a long shot, I have been tracking this couple.
Can't find a marriage or death entry for them, and can't find them in 1891/1901 censuses
Perhaps Robert Hillier & Elvire never officially remarried either of their partners
1881
Name: Elvier Gillman - pob France Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Wm. Gender: Female Where born: France Civil Parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 29 Hercules Bdgs Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Elvier Gillman 34 James Wm. Gillman 44 - Occ Gas Fitter
No Children ------------------------
1871 - same couple
Name: Elvire Gillman - pob Bloomsbury ? Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: Married
Disability: View Image Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 5?? Household Members: Name Age
Elvire Gillman 27 James Gillman 34 - abt 1837 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, Occ Gas Fitter
No Children -------------------------------------
1861
Name: James Gillman with parents & siblings Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Eleanor Gender: Male Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Waterloo Road Second ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age
James Gillman 51 Eleanor Gillman 47 ....James Gillman 24 - Occ Gas Fitter - unmarried George Gillman 21 Edward Gillman 17 Mary A Gillman 10 Louisa Gillman 8
Sorry if I'm adding to your Mystery
ps - noticed Elvire was a Dancer in 1861, could she have adopted a stage name which she preferred to go by
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Samspade
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21 Aug 2008 10:42 |
Thanks for all the help- i too think it'll be interesting to find out who was the informant of her death.
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30 Aug 2008 12:55 |
I have her death cert 8/1/1899 Lambeth Workhouse Infirmary 55 years Widow of Robert Hillier printers machinist of 24 Marshall St Georges Road Southwark the informant was Caroline Nunn Sister?????? I somehow knew this would bring more mystery! Why would it say Widow of Robert when Robert was still alive and kicking? At least it answers one question Robert never married Hannah Jarrett also according to the death cert Robert and Elvire's sister Caroline were living at the same address?????????????
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June
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30 Aug 2008 14:08 |
sister still at that address in 1901
Name: Carrie Nann [Caroline Nunn] Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Gender: Female Where born: Westminster, London, England Civil Parish: Southwark St George The Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: London Road ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 313 Household Members: Name Age Carrie Nann 42 Carrie Nann 20 Charles Nann 50 Esther Nann 13 George Nann 15 Nelly Nann 10 Walter Nann 23
1891
Name: Caroline Nunn Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Gender: Female Where born: St Martin in The Fields, London, England Civil Parish: St George The Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: London Road ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Carolina Nunn 10 Caroline Nunn 33 Charles Nunn 40 Ellen Nunn 3/12 Esther Nunn 2 George Nunn 5 Walter Nunn 23 image reads 13
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30 Aug 2008 14:13 |
Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DARGENT CAROLINE Islington 1b 589
NUNN Charles Islington 1b 589
1881
Name: Caroline Nunn Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Gender: Female Where born: St Pauls, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Martin in The Fields County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 9 Mercer St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Strand Sub registration district: St Martin In The Fields ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Caroline Nunn 32 Caroline Nunn Charles Nunn 30 Walter Nunn 3
same family different ages
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30 Aug 2008 14:42 |
1871
Name: Mary Dargent Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England Civil Parish: St Martin in The Fields Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Strand Sub registration district: Long Acre ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 83 Household Members: Name Age Carris Dargent 12 Louis Dargent 15 Mary Dargent 51
1861
Name: Caroline Davgent Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Prudent Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: St Paul C Garden Civil Parish: Westminster St Paul Covent Garden County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Strand Sub registration district: St Mary le Strand ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 194 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Davgent 2 Gustave Davgent 15 France Henry Davgent 9 Leon Davgent 5 Mary Davgent 44 Prudent Davgent 49 France
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Name: Elvis Sargent Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Prudant Mother's Name: Marie Gender: Female Where born: France Civil Parish: St Paul Covent Garden County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Strand Sub registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 1e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Alleste Sargent 15 Mo Artur Sargent 4 Elvis Sargent 8 Gustave Sargent 6 Marie Sargent 36 Prudant Sargent 38
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Samspade
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30 Aug 2008 19:38 |
Thanks june that's huge help,i'll look into the sister. still odd they put the same address for the 'late' husband and her!
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Jean
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7 Jan 2013 23:54 |
Hello. My name is Jean Field (Nee - Nunn) and my Great Grandmother was Caroline Nunn (nee D'Argent). Any information on the D'Argent family would be appreciated please. Her son, George was my grandfather. Regards Jean.
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GlitterBaby
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8 Jan 2013 00:23 |
Will send a pm regarding display of email addy
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June
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21 Jan 2013 22:35 |
jean i am not related in any way was just helping samspade out x
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