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I am trying to trace my grandfathers roots. I have his WW1 discharge papers, he died in c1977. Married to Martha (Humphries, nee Ludlow). I believe they were both married previously, but had the following children together ; Pam (b c1936), Ronald (b 1938), Margaret (b c1940), Maureen (b c1942) and Valerie (b c1950 d 2008). Both Thomas and Martha were born in London, and lived in Essex after WW2

I believe his date of birth may be incorrectly listed on his army records

do you have any more info i can go off please gary? And I will have a look for you.

Is this his birth?

Name: Thomas John R Haynes
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 352 (click to see others on page)

This is his registered birth,

1892,A/June.(born April /June)

Haynes==Thomas John R .

Lambeth

1d vol..page 352,

If you have a fathers name he should then be traceable in 1901,,,

Possible?
Thomas John R Haynes b 1892 Jun Q Lambeth

Possible for him but you would need his birth certificate to find his parents names.



1901 England Census
about Thomas Haynes
Name: Thomas Haynes
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Johanna
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Trinity, Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Haynes 19
Dorothy Haynes 5 months
George Haynes 2
Johanna Haynes 40
Johanna Haynes 14
John Haynes 43
John Haynes 16
Thomas Haynes 11
William Haynes 5

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Liz

More maybe gleaned from service records if you have his service number and regiment,,,,

Going on the middle inititals only, this is a possible marriage to first wife?

Marriages Jun 1916

Fox Jessie Haynes Southwark 1d 133
Haynes Thomas J R Fox Southwark 1d 133

Nudge for Gary -

do you have his marriage certificate to his second wife?

Getting the certificate will tell you who his father was, then you can find them both on the 1901. Also will help confirm first marriage.

The only information I have is from his WW1 discharge papers. He was a private in Duke of Cornwall Regiment, No. 11974 Rank Private. According to his papers he declared a DoB of 2/9/1894. Lambeth, near London in the county of Surrey.

We believe that he was married before meeting my grandmother Martha Ludlow. This is the mystery we are struggling to breakdown, his past life was kept to himself??

His middle names may help, John "Raspury" (not sure of spelling), we don't know if this was a nickname or a old family name.

I suggest you get his marriage certificate to Martha.

On his discharge papers, does it give a next of Kin?

No one at all on FreeBMD with first name or surname Raspury - a few RasBury surnames

Interesting marriage here - maybe his parents? Need an 1891 to see who married who.

Marriages Sep 1884

Dawson Walter King's L. 4b 567
Foreman Sarah Elizabeth Kings L. 4b 567
Haines George Kings Lynn 4b 567
RASBERRY Elizabeth King's L. 4b 567
RASBERY Elizabeth King's L.

I now know that my grandfather was born 15th March 1892, we belive he had siblings and believe there would have been brothers. We understand that his father may also have had the same name (e.g. Thomas John Raspbury Haynes), therefore another Thomas JR Haynes would have been born c1850?-c1870?
We also know my grandfather was married twice (2nd wife my grandmother was Martha Humphries born 1906.