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Christine

If he was 19 when he got married, it makes life a lot easier for him to say he's 21, and thus avoid any hassles about parental permission. If his mum's dead by then, I don't know who he's supposed to get permission from, and I'll bet he didn't either. My guess is that he was supposed to get permission from a court of some flavour, but who's going to go to the bother and expense when they can just say they're 21.

Sorry! Not the same one. The census one is Walter John Turner born Lewisham. Could still be the Fulham birth.

The 1900 birth is the one I meant, I year out is nothing.

As you know the birth date, it can be used as a checking point.

The marriage witnesses would be asked for to maybe see if a sibling of his was one of them and therfore make him easier to identify.

Christine

Walter James Turner registered Mar quarter 1900 Fulham which is the one in the 1901 census with mother Alice. He could have lied about his age to avoid needing parental consent to marry.

Hi Linda,
thanks for that, but i still have my doubts as to whether this is him, as they normally lied to appear older on there marriage certificate, not younger that would have made him 26 and as both of there fathers were dead, cannot see the point. also going by his death this would make him the wrong age.
completely baffled now.
someone did ask earlier for the marriage witnesses but not sure what difference that would make.
many thanks
Bev

By the way. the one in 1894 is the 4th Quarter, so it ties in with the 14th Nov

Hi Party dancer,

Have trawled through the complete birth indexes, and unfortunatly, there is no births for Walter James Turner in 1897,98,99, but the one in 1894 on the complete index is : Turner Walter James - Fulham- 1a 283.
So unless he is telling porky`s on his marriage certificate, they did back then??

Hope this helps, good luck with your search

You can't completely rely on age given on the marriage cert.

Youcan order a birth cert giving father's name and birth date as a checking point and if it's not the correct one they refund part of the money.

The birth reg found in Fulham seems very likely as he could have been registered Q1 1900 as you had 6 weeks to register the birth.

Christine

Hi Linda,
everything else matches except his birth date, he was born 14th November and if he was 21 when he married in 1920, he must of been 21, nov 1919 so was born nov 1898

Witnesses at the wedding were Minnie Platt and John Tuvey

who were the witnesses at there wedding.

For ref:?

1901 England Census
about Walter J Turner
Name: Walter J Turner
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Turner 12
Eleanor Turner 16
Elizabeth Turner 53
Robert Turner 52
Walter J Turner 7

Hi,
this could be also be him in Kent, need to see if Alice was formely married to Robert, as Walters Marriage certifcate says his father is desceased but i have no idea when he died.

could this be a possible, Alice his mother is a widow.

Name: Walter J Turner
Age: 9 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Alice C
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members: Name Age
Edward A Hogg 19
Alice C Turner 29 canada-british subject
Alice S Turner 9
Henry C A Turner 4
Walter J Turner 9 months
William S Turner 7

Hi,
i think this is possibly him in Fulham, as far as i know they were from Kentish Town area, which isnt a million miles from Fulham, but cannot seem to find Walter or Robert on the census!

Is this Charlotte??
1901 England Census
about Annie C Bashford
Name: Annie C Bashford
Age: 4 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Granddaughter
Mother's Name: Alice E
Gender: Female
Where born: Tooting, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Summerstown
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 286
Household Members: Name Age
Ada M Bashford 14
Alice E Bashford 20
Annie C Bashford 4 months
Violet A Bashford 2
William Bashford 20
Charlotte Brooker 50
George Jarves 22

pos birth?

Name: Walter James Turner
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 211

Hi,
There is a birth record on freebmd
Walter James Turner
Fulham
Mar 1900
1a 211

For ref could be??

1891 England Census
about Walter J Turner
Name: Walter J Turner
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Hannah J
Gender: Male
Where born: Burton-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stretton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Stretton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Stretton, Burton on Trent

Occupation: Of Father, Brewers Clerk CC

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Burton upon Trent
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ethel Turner 4
Hannah J Turner 36
Hannah J Turner 2
Henry A Turner 11
Robert Turner 35
Walter J Turner 8