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Hi,
can anyone help me solve the mystery of the relationship between these families please? The 1901 census shows my grandmother Albertina Moses (really Lizzie Alberta) aged 6 and Polly Moses (Mary Olive) aged 4 as nieces in the household of Thomas Jackson, born Liverpool, aged 65, stationary engine driver, living at 19 Moira Terrace, Cardiff. Albertina and Polly were born in Cardiff and their father was Capt James John Moses, a master mariner, so it's not surprising if his daughters were boarding with family members while he was at sea - presumably his wife sometimes went with him. But I've no idea what the connection with the Jackson family is.

The mystery deepens with the 1891 census, which has the Jackson family (Thomas 56 and Elizabeth 50, born Ellesmere Port, Cheshire) at 25 Coveny St, Cardiff with a household which includes Thomas Glover, boarder, 23, born Appledore, Devon. Thomas Glover was uncle to Albertina and Polly - his older sister Elizabeth Kelly Glover was their mother, wife of James John Moses. But I've no idea how to begin working out the family connections! All suggestions gratefully received!
cheers, Linda

Do you have access to the 1871 census? I'm bickering with Ancestry about my sub at the moment and can't get it myself.

1881 has this:

Name: Elizabeth Jackson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas F.
Gender: Female
Where born: Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 1 Lady Margaret Ter
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 42

Elizabeth Jackson 40
Jane Elizth. Jackson 14
Joseph E Jackson 3
Mary Louisa Jackson 11
Matilda Jackson 1
Thomas F. Jackson 46
Thomas Jas. Jackson 6


I see Elizabeth and Thomas together in the 1871, but can't see the record details, and can't find the children who should be with them.

Mary Louisa Jackson shows as born in Cardiff c1869-70. Okay, so this will be her:

Births Sep 1869
Jackson Mary Jouisa M P Cardiff 11a 216

Alrighty, here she is in 1871:

Name: Mary L M P Jackson
Mother: Elizabeth
Father: Thomas
Birth: abt 1870 - city, Glamorgan, Wales
Residence: 1871 - city, Glamorgan, Wales

Births Mar 1867
Jackson Jane Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 258

I was just wondering whether we could find the Thomas Jackson + Elizabeth marriage to see whether the relationship was on her side, or this was a second marriage for one of them maybe.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

It doesn't seem to have happened in Glamorgan ...

A possibility (Ellesmere Port is in Wirral district):

Marriages Dec 1867
JACKSON Thomas Wirral 8a 632
Powell Elizabeth Wirral 8a 632

No Jackson-Glover marriage to fit, as you've probably discovered. ;)

So I'm no help.

Ah. This might help. Duh.

Marriages Dec 1891
>> Glover Thomas Cardiff 11a 637 Scan
>> Jackson Mary Louisa M P Cardiff 11a 637
Jackson Mary Maud L P Cardiff 11a 637 (alternative entries?)
Lewis Mary Jane Cardiff 11a 637 (missing groom)

So Thomas Glover was the uncle, and Thomas and Elizabeth Jackson were his parents-in-law.

1871 Wales census.
Thomas Jackson 1831 Liverpool.occ railway engine driver
Elizabeth wife 1841 Ellesmere Port
Jane E dau 1867 Cardiff.
Mary LMP dau 1870 Cardiff
Edwin A Craven lodger 1835 Leeds

address 17 South Luton Place

Ta Margaret.

Of course, I've solved the mystery now. ;)

Linda Linda Linda! Mystery solved!

Well, it's only 11 pm here in Canada, but I guess Linda's asleep ...

Kathryn.
Let me know how you get on with Ancestry. My sub has run out. On borrowed time till they cancel it

Hi both,
many thanks for this - I must now try and get my head round it all! I keep finding complications with the Glovers, and as they seem to move freely between Devon and South Wales (as did the Moses family) it doesn't make it easy to track them. That's the trouble with seafarers of course - always on the move! Or away at sea and not even on the census. I've a feeling I can access Ancestry for free at Chepstow library - one of the benefits of living in Wales rather than England - so I must go along with a list of queries and see what more I can find out.
cheers, Linda

OK, it's all beginning to fit. 1901 census also lists Prudence Glover, aged 4, daughter - so she must be the daughter of Thomas Glover and Mary Louisa Jackson. Confusing that neither of them were at home in 1901! Also confusing that censuses don't always differentiate between daughter and granddaughter, or niece and great niece. Ah well....!! I think these are probably the Glovers who ended up in Neath, and I gather the family still run a wine merchants there. Maybe that should be my next port of call! Brilliant. Mystery solved - Thomas lodged with the Jacksons, met daughter etc etc. The only query left is why the Jacksons moved to Cardiff - but so many people seem to have moved to Cardiff because of all the employment opportunities of the docks etc. There's a whole story there waiting to be written...!
Thanks so much for solving the puzzle.