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I am still looking for the marriage of James ward and selina owen, james was born in newcastle upon tyne in 1868(approx) selina was born in Ledbury in 1865(approx). They are both on the 1901 census, living in Birmingham, selina was married to a William Owen in 1884, but on the census she is down as being married to James Ward, the children she had, have the sir name of ward, but on their birth certificates their sir name is ward owen. On my Grandads birth cert, his dads name is down as william owen, but when my grandad got married the name on the certificate as his father is James Ward its all very confusing and i cannot find a record of selina and james actual wedding

Have you found a death for he 1st husband

no i haven't found the death of william, do you think that would help?

Normally you couldn't re marry unless spouse had passed away

This is the 1891 and Selina Ward the daughter is Selina Shephard...Just looked at the image and she is a Ward

Selina Ward
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 75
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry G Shephard 21
Sarah A Shephard 24
Selina Shephard 2
James Ward 22
Selina Ward 25

What was Selina's maiden name?

that is interesting, i will look that up, i think the shepherd name just makes things even more confusing

selinas maiden name was elsmore

1901
Selina Ward
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members: Name Age
Elsie Ward 6
James Ward 33
Lily Ward 9
Richard Ward 7
Selina Ward 35
Selina Ward 12

Don't know if it is the right one as it says James born Newcastle under Lyme (not Tyne)

Marriages Jun 1884

Elsmore Selina Neath 11a 908
Owen William Neath 11a 908

Here Selina on the 1881

Selina Elsmore
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Hereford, England

Civil Parish: Neath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 7 Bridge Street Prince of Wales
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Servant At Home

Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Neath
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Davies 30
Eliza Elsmore 50
Eliza Elsmore 21
George Elsmore 53
James Elsmore 17
Matthew Elsmore 10
Maud Elsmore 12
Selina Elsmore 15
John Johns 26
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With the Shephard family the Wards are only Boarders

It looks like Selina the daughter is an Owen....So maybe Selina & James never married

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
OWEN Selina Cardiff 11a 31_
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here is Richards and he has Ward for a middle name

Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Owen Richard Ward Aston 6d 229
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Heres Lily's

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Owen Lily Ward Aston 6d 227
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I would say the Selina is Williams daughter & Lily & Richard are James children

her maiden name was defintly elsmore.
she was married to a william owen in in 1884, i dont know if they divorced or he died, she is registered as selina ward on the 1901 census, one of her children, philip, my grandad is registered as phililp george ward owen on his birth certificate

there is this marriage but there is no female listed. (only 47% transcribed) I have looked at the image for Owen for there is no Selina there, but it could appear on another year as a late entry so it may be worth while ordering this one with a proviso you only want it if the bride's name is Selina.

Marriages Jun 1887 (47%)
Ward James Aston 6d 512

It seems to fit with dates of children's births area and census for 1891

Hi thank you i will look into this regards sam