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hi peeps

after haveing a bit of trouble finding my grandmother (birth)

I have recieved her devorce paper i thought this would give me something to go on by (names ) but it dont help well to me any ways

the said paper is from
high court of justice probate, devorce and admiralty

i all ways thought that my grandmothers name was lilian warnesford
I asumude this as my fathers and brothers birth certs have mothers name lilian nixon nee warneford

but the problem is that the devorce papers say
lilian nixon when Alderson , spinster

this throws the cat amonst the pidgeons for me whith names
is she lilian warneford or infact lilian Alderson

i thought she may have been married before as my dads oldest brother was born 2 years before my gran got married in 1930

my grans birth day was 21 0ct 1911 northumberland area
but with 2 differend names who would actually be her

i hope i havent made this to confusing as im not to good in setting thing out in writing and i do appologuise for it

surf

It doesn't seem right that she has a different name on the divorce papers to the name on your father's birth certificate.

Are you sure you have the correct divorce papers? Where did you find the record of them?

Have you tried getting the birth certificate of your father's older brother who she had before her marriage to your grandfather, just to see what the name is on there?

Kath. x

This is the only birth I can find (right qtr. but different year):-

Name: Lillian M Alderson
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Mowbray
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 248

This is the only birth I can find with the surname Warneford:-

Name: Lillian D Warneford
Year of Registration: 1920
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Campbell
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 2164

Kath. x

hi peeps

i got the devorce paper from my mother luckily she hords things

my fathers brothers name was
ernest frederick warneford born 1928 newcastle upon tyne ifnfo from mother she remembers this from the time of his death of his death when they regestered his death it said warneford mothers maden on his cert at moment she is looking for it

my father joseph michael nixon born 22.2.1931 newcastle upon tyne

his other brother ronnie nixon born 1933 newcastle upn tyne

This is the older brother's birth:-

Ernest F. A. Warneford, mother's maiden name Warneford
March qtr. 1928, Newcastle T., 10b, 195

So it looks as if her maiden name WAS Warneford.

I wonder if at the time of her divorce she was living with another man and using his name, so they have put that on the divorce paper as well as her married name of Nixon?

Does the divorce paper have a date on it (it should)?

Kath. x

hi kath

date on paper
decee made 4 nov 1949

certified and made final 30 dec 1949

I can't understand why the divorce paper describes her as "spinster".

I have my parents divorce papers and the word "spinster" is not mentioned anywhere.

If you had sent away for the divorce documents I would have been tempted to say you had the wrong couple, but since you have the original papers they must belong to your grandparents so I really can't understand the different name on them.

Kath. x

http://www.zshare.net/image/51714817a50a02f9/

link to papers

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I've looked at the divorce paper and I can see now why they said "spinster". They were saying that she was Lilian Nixon, then Alderson at the time of the marriage.

Can't understand it at all unless she was married for a short period between having her first son and marrying your granddad and then changing back to her maiden name for that marriage.

Have you looked for a marriage between Lilian Warneford and a Mr. Alderson?

If she wasn't married before then I just can't explain the name difference.

UPDATE - Having noted the marriage date given on the divorce paper, I looked at the marriage index and her name is recorded in the marriage index as Lilian Alderson. Strange!!!!!

There is also no marriage of a Lilian Warneford to someone called Alderson between the birth of her first child and the marriage to Mr. Nixon.

Kath. x

Do you actually have your grandparent's marriage certificate? It might be worth getting to see who she names as her father (what his surname is) and what age she is.

The reference for the marriage certificate is:-

Lilian Alderson, spouse Joseph Nixon
Dec. qtr. 1930, Newcastle T., 10b, 203

Kath. x

I can't find a birth of Ronnie/Ronald Nixon in 1933 or 1934 with mother's maiden name either Warneford or Alderson.

Kath. x

thnks for you time looking kath
i will send of for the marrage cert for lilian
hopeing it will send me in the right direction

thanks again
mike

update

just got marrage cert today

it says lilian alderson age 18 years spinster
father edward warneford alderson

so i am now asuming that her father was a edward alderson and mother was a Warneford

from the farthers double barreled name

could i be wrong ?

surf