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9 Dec 2008 01:13 |
It seems that my grandfather changed his name. The family appear in the census for 1901 with the Surname BARNETT:
Address: 63 Landcroft Road. Dulwich. Camberwell. Name: Joseph Barnett Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Newington, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell Sub registration district: Camberwell ED, institution, or vessel: 48 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 298 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Barnett 1 Ernest Barnett 3 George Barnett 5 Reginald Barnett 7 Edward Barnett 9 Joseph Barnett 33 Sarah Barnett 34
Reginald's birth was recorded in the Parish record: Reginald Levi Barnett. 23 SEP 1893 Christening: 08 OCT 1893 St Barnabas, Lambeth, Surrey, England. However, he and all his siblings are registered as having the surname 'LEVI' not 'BARNETT' and Barnett is registered as a middle name for Ernest (1898 Jan+, Camberwell) and Reginald (1893 Oct+, Lambeth). The name 'Levi' does not feature in any later records for Reginald as either a middle or a surname. The above children are all born in Lambeth and Camberwell.
I wonder if anyone has this family or any connections to this family in their records? It would be great to find some descendents.
Thanks :-) Ruby
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MrsBucketBouquet
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9 Dec 2008 01:47 |
Births Oct/Nov/Dec 1893 Surname'Levi' Christian names'Reginald Barnett' District Lambeth Volume 1d Page 425 ======
If you want to buy a BMD cert,heres how and here is the addy where you can buy it online... (copy n paste the following...)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 01:54 |
For ref, e.g.:
Births Dec 1893 Levi Reginald Barnett Lambeth 1d 425
Were they Jewish and assimilating? Joseph and Sarah ... could go either way.
Joseph in 1891?
Name: Joseph Barnett Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Lodger Where born: London, England Occupation: General Dealer (Hawk)
Henry Lavis 23 Ellen Lavis 29 Henry Lavis 9 William Lavis 6 Nellie Lavis 1 Joseph Barnett 22
I read that "Lavis" as Lewis, so it doesn't seem to be a Levi connection.
Marriage?
Marriages Mar 1893 * Barnett Joseph Bethnal Green 1c 321 Crowne Jane Bethnal Green 1c 321 * Davis Sarah Ann Bethnal Green 1c 321 Tiedeman William Bethnal Green 1c 321
Interesting household in 1881 -- do you have pre-1901 info?
Name: Joseph E. Levi Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son >> Father's Name: Barnett Mother's Name: Emma C. Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr County/Island: London
Amelia Levi 5 Barnett Levi 40 - born London, (Com) Traveller Fancy Goods Emma C. Levi 30 Heneretta R. Levi 8 Joseph E. Levi 12
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Ruby
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9 Dec 2008 02:16 |
Thanks EvieBeavie
I had the first two bits of info and had wondered whether that was my Joseph with the 'Lavis' family. Your final find is a real gem though (I didn't find that one). I think you could have cracked it! :D
I've ordered some more certs (Reginalds birth and the marriage cert you noted), so hope that will help.
Thanks for advice Mrs B :) Have found all children in reg books under 'Levi'; That's what confirmed the name change theory. Couldn't find Joseph though, who is recorded, as born in Newington in the 1901 census, but am going to double check (may have got a bit boggle eyed). Quite right always have reg details before buying certs ;)
Thanks to you both ... think I'd better go to bed! gd night :D R
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 15:56 |
I had to do that too, get to bed.
Bits and pieces:
1871:
Name: Barnett Levey Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Amelia Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Whitechapel Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Registration district: Whitechapel
Amelia Levey 28 Barnett Levey 28 Jessie Levey 9 weeks Morris Levey 4 Rebecca Levey 1 Rosetta Levey 5 Sarah Levey 3
Joseph should have been there if that's the right family, hmm.
Amelia doesn't match the specs for Emma in 1881 (Amelia is older) -- but note daughter Amelia in 1881 household.
Name: Amelia Levy Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 49 District: Whitechapel County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 168
1871 -- just interesting at the moment, may be worth looking into -- I don't see a Joseph Barnett or Levi to match your Joseph in 1871 --
Name: Joseph Hart Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's Name: Barnett Mother's Name: Annie Where born: St George in The East, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St George in The East County/Island: London Registration district: St George In The East
Joseph Hart 77 - general dealer Caroline Hart 64 - wife Barnett Hart 32 - son, married, clothier Annie Hart 23 - wife Joseph Hart 2 Elizabeth Hart 7 months Rachael Hart 27 - daughter (of Joseph Sr and Caroline presumably) Emma Nate 16 - servant
Births Mar 1869 Hart Joseph St. Geo. East 1c 409
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 16:07 |
Marriages Mar 1865 * Cohen Amelia London City 1c 203 Cohen Frances London City 1c 203 Isaac Henry Patrick London City 1c 203 * Levy Barnett London City 1c 203
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 16:11 |
Huh - there seem to have been two Barnett Levys, one married to Emma and one to Amelia.
Barnett and Amelia are still together in the 1881:
Amelia Levy 39 Barnett Levy 39 Jessie Levy 10 Morris Levy 15 Rebecca Levy 12 Rosetta Levy 16 Sarah Levy 14
So where are Barnett and Emma in 1871 ...?
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 16:17 |
1871:
Name: Joseph B Levy Age: 7 months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's Name: Bernet Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Name: Bernet Levy Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Lodger Where born: Goldinger Cureland (that's how it seems to read; the original has a "?" beside it)
Occupation: Hawker Condition as to marriage: Widower
Civil Parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 16:20 |
Possible, if Barnett was a travelling dealer?
Marriages Mar 1872 Cumming Rebecca W. Derby 8b 770 * Filmer Caroline Emma W. Derby 8b 770 GARNER William W. Derby 8b 770 * Levi Barnett W.Derby 8b 770
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EvieBeavie
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9 Dec 2008 16:38 |
Henrietta Levi aged 8 in 1881, daughter of Barnett and Emma:
Births Jun 1872 LEVI Henrietta Rose W. Derby 8b 274
Amelia Levi aged 5 in 1881:
Births Sep 1875 Levi Amelia St. Saviour 1d 172
There are three possible marriages 1860 - 1870 that could be Joseph Levi's parents:
Marriages Mar 1865 Levy Barnett London City 1c 203 -- no, that one is Barnett & Amelia
Marriages Dec 1870 LEVY Barnett London C. 1c 218 LEVY Barnett London C. 1c 222
I haven't had any luck matching up deaths in 1870 to any potential brides on those pages, although this death could be a possibility:
Deaths Sep 1870 Levy Lena 24 Newcastle T. 10b 82
Well hmm.
Marriages Mar 1867 Bremer Jacob London C. 1c 181 * HART Barnett London C. 1c 181 LEVY Annie London C. 1c 181 * WINNIK Lena London C. 1c 181
But no ... that's Barnett Hart (from the 1871) marrying Annie, one would think!
Aargh!
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David
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31 Jan 2024 21:37 |
David Barnett Son of Denis Barnett Grandfather Joseph Edward Levi Barnett Can i Help :-)
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greyghost
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31 Jan 2024 22:52 |
You may have noticed that this is a 16 year old thread.
It does look as though Ruby is still a member of Genes.
Click on her name - in green above her post and send a message. She will be notified if her email is the same one she registered with GR, you just have to hope she's in a position to reply.
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David
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1 Feb 2024 07:49 |
Denis Barnett and Joan Barnett & Pam Barnett My grandfathers Ernest Reginald George I am David Barnett son of Denis Barnett
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1 Feb 2024 08:58 |
David, welcome to Genes and the boards. It is very unlikely that Ruby will spot your posts. Genes do not notify the OP if anything has been added to a thread, so if you wish to contact Ruby please follow greyghosts suggestion.
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