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She married norman clarence richardson on the 1.5.1926.
She was born in ballarat to albert henry and annie elizabeth turner.

thanks

If you say what you want to know, it would likely help.


Looking for ... ancestors? descendants?

Do you know her date of birth?

I'm looking for any information on her and her parents, sadly do not have a date of birth.

thanks

If you add "Australia" to your subject line (use the Edit link in your first post), you're more likely to catch the attention of the Aussie experts among us!

thanks all for your help :)

Viola Edna TURNER was born in 1905 in Ballarat East to Albert Hy TURNER & Annie Elizabeth GRENFELL (reg 23325).

Her husband Norman died in 1975 aged 71, son of Albert Hy & Sarah Adelaide nee BARNES (reg 2136).

Viola must have remarried (unless they had divorced earlier) as she died as Viola Edna HOCKING nee TURNER in 1985 in Moe, aged 79 (reg 12525).

Albert Hy TURNER & Annie Elizabeth GRENFELL married in 1900 (reg 2646).

Albt Hy TURNER b. 1874 Ballarat East (13531), d. 1957 Coburg aged 83 (15029), son of Jno Wm TURNER & Ann OLDFIELD.

Annie Elizabeth TURNER nee GRENFELL b. 1879 Stuart Mill Vic (26154), d. 1971 aged 95 (10147), dau of Thos Pascoe GRENFELL & Georgina STEVENS.

Thos Pascoe GRENFELL d. 1924 Ballarat East aged 83, son of Wm & Anne nee BOSSENTS/BOSENSE (reg 8152). Looks like the Grenfells were originally from Cornwall.

Hey, Cherilyn! Good stuff -- and for your next assignment ... ;)

Just thought you might want to take a look at what seems to be a related thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1112865

Thanks Evie I'll take a look now!
:-)

omg omg thank you so much I really did need the help as I'm verm much a beginner.

Yes these are my relations.

Once again Cherilyn thank you so much.

PenP -- you want to go way back now?

"Thos Pascoe GRENFELL d. 1924 Ballarat East aged 83, son of Wm & Anne nee BOSSENTS/BOSENSE (reg 8152). Looks like the Grenfells were originally from Cornwall."

Pascoe is a big Cornish surname.

Go here:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

click on the red Search in the lower left.

Search for

births
surname GRENFELL
given name THOMAS
dates 1839-1842

(in case his age at death wasn't quite accurate)

In the results list, you will see the person who is probably the Thomas Pascoe Grenfell in question.

You can order his birth certificate here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

using the details you will see at FreeBMD (name, registration district, volume and page number). You should click on the spectacles icon beside the name and look at the original image, to be sure all of that info has been transcribed accurately.

Unfortunately, he was born just after the 1841 census, so you won't find him in his parents' household that year. But we can try 1851. I'm guessing you don't subscribe to Ancestry, so I did the search. There is no Thomas Grenfell with parents William and Anne to fit your Thomas in 1851. They could have left England by then.

In 1841, there are a William and Ann, but in Redruth registration district, not Penzance.

There are also a Pascoe and Ann Grenfell, in St Just in Penwith, which is in Penzance reg dist. I wonder whether that might be them. Their eldest son is William.

Best to get the birth certificate first and make sure it shows parents William and Anne, and that Anne's birth surname matches up. I don't see the marriage at FreeBMD (searching for the marriage of a Grenfell to a Bos*), so it was probably before 1837.

Cornish records are quite available on line for many parishes.

And aha. Many are available here, in the International Genealogy Index, IGI:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_IGI.asp

Search for Thomas Grenfell with father William and mother Ann, 1841 +/- 2 years. I'll give you the result, but you should practise doing it yourself!

THOMAS PASCOE GRENFELL
Christening: 15 NOV 1840 Sancreed, Cornwall, England
Father: WILLIAM GRENFELL
Mother: NANNY
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: C022041

Next step at the familysearch site -- in the IGI -- is to look for brothers and sisters of Thomas.

Do the search I just did and then click on the batch number, and search only for the father's name William Grenfell and the mother's name Ann.

You will get a results list for this:

Results for: British Isles
Father: William Grenfell, Mother: Ann
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C022041

There are 7 children. It might look like the older ones have different William and Ann parents, since they are all so much older. But note that one of the children is Nanny, which is how Ann's name is given on Thomas's record. Hard to say whether they are all brothers and sisters or not, just from that list.


aha.

In 1841, this is the family with all the children who are in that batch.

Name: Wm Grenfell
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Sancreed
Hundred: Penwith
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Penzance

Wm Grenfell 45
Ann Grenfell 45
William Grenfell 15
John Grenfell 15
Eliza Grenfell 11
Nanny Grenfell 11
Thomas Grenfell 6 Mo


And duh! of course -- that Thomas Pascoe Grenfell was christened in November 1840, so he *was* born by the 1841 census.

So is he your Thomas Pascoe Grenfell and/or the Thomas Pascoe Grenfell whose birth was registered in 1841?

Only the birth certificate will tell you for sure!

Also, in 1841 there are several BOSENCE households in Sancreed, Cornwall. In fact, Cornwall is just about the only place there are Bosences in the census, except for a couple who had migrated to London and Liverpool.

WOW this is really amazing evie thank you "you rock" .
To think months ago I didn't even know my grandmothers nameand was stuck at that so thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Once again thank you evie :)

You're very welcome.

Do get that birth cert and just post the details in this thread when you get it. I am fairly familiar with sources for Cornish info, and I can point you around to try to get back farther once you have the parents' names confirmed.

Parish records for Cornwall tend to be very good, and many are available at a couple of websites. I have one of my Cornwall familes back to the 1500s just by clicking around and paying a very little money to get access to search results. (One site where many records are charges 8 pence a pop to look at most birth/marriage/death transcriptions.)

History awaits! ;)

Thanks I think I better get a better Family tree thingy (because its starting to looking confusing on here.).

Wow, this is great progress! Well done Evie!

Thought this may help too (no parents names but at least an approx year of birth)...

Surname: GRENFELL
Given Names: Ann
Event: D
Father: Bosense Unknown
Mother: U
Age: 79
Birth Place: CORNWALL
Year: 1877
Reg Number: 304

I think there are some very good sites for Cornish genealogy, worth a look.

Ann BOSENCE comes up on the IGI born Sancreed Cornwall c1800 and married to Wm GRENFELL. Same submitter has Wm GRENFELL b. c1794 St Just Cornwall, son of John & Catherine nee ROWE. Just a warning - this info is from a private submitter tho, need to be a bit wary., e.g. she has 'your' Annie Elizabeth (b. 1879) marrying Alfred Ernest SEVER in 1908. I have checked the index and this is a different Annie Elizabeth GRENFELL; she was born in Fitzroy 1890 and died in 1959 aged 71 (as LEVER, father Edward GRENFELL).

Thos Pascoe GRENFELL & wife Georgina STEPHENS were in Victoria by 1863 (when they married, reg no 1945) and stayed in the Ballarat/Stuart Mill area. I can't find Georgina's death.

On the TURNER side, John Wm & Ann were in Victoria by 1856. Started out in Geelong then moved to the Ballarat area. (Probably how Albert & Annie E met!) Likely death for Jno Wm TURNER in Ballarat East in 1912 aged 82, son of Jno TURNER & Mary BEARD (reg 8489). Ann TURNER nee OLDFIELD died in Ballarat East in 1911 aged 77, dau of Aaron OLDFIELD & Elizabeth ENGLISH (reg 7563). So they were born c1830 & c1834, before records formally started but you could look at census records from 1841 & 1851, now that you have parents names.

Also if you go to freebdm.rootsweb.com you can search for the marriage between John Wm TURNER & Ann OLDFIELD in 1855 in Macclesfield. (So they must have come to Australia soon after marrying.)

The IGI has Ann OLDFIELD's birth to Aaron & Elizabeth on 29 Jun 1834 in Prestbury Cheshire (as Evie says good to check it out for yourself, good practice!)

Golden rule of genealogy of course is to VERIFY everything! So do get those certificates. Nothing worse than getting on the wrong track and having to re-do it all!

Have fun!

Yes you do need to get it all down. If it helps do a chart on paper (a big piece!) first and then put it into the tree on this site.

One more bit - I know you are getting overwhelmed by too much info but this site has names of families from Cornwall of interest and includes Bosence and Grenfell from the areas mentioned above: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~caov/research/research.htm

Thank you so much :)

This is so exciting.