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Silly mare I am somehow deleted my own post have to start again.

I have tried to look for Susanna's sister Mary's birth cert as well. It dawned on me that if there mother wasn't married to there father the reg at birth would be her family name so that would explain why they can't be found..

The same could apply to Fredrick . One would presume that he would be on an 1861 census somewhere. However if he was from another father and not Joseph he wouldn't have the name of Gillett either. Have several in my family tree like that. However the census records often have the name of the current husband or partner.

I'll send for the marrige cert you found to see what is written. Hope it is the correct one which would explain a lot.

Hi Susanne,

This could be the birth reg for Frederick, as it gives Surrey for his birthplace on census. This is from Free BMD.


Births Jun 1864 (>99%)

GILLETT Frederick Wandsworth 1d 417

MMN were only shown on the registers after 1912, I don't know of any sites showing baptisms from that period.

Regarding a baptism for Susanna Doyle (Gillet) you may find someone on Rootschat could help looking at the registers. They have boards dedidcated to every county and it is free site.

I would post on the Staffordshire board.

Did you find Joseph in 1861?

I can't access the records at the moment as my subscription has just run out.

Christine


http://www.rootschat.com

Hi Christine

I have been following this carefully. I have just slightly amended my last post becasue i made a mistake with John Partington

I'm going to send for the marriage cert you found and see who it belongs to.

Noticed Fredrick Pollett Gillett 17 suddenly appeared - did occur to me that he might have been from a previous marriage.
Don't suppose you have the time to look up a possible birth for me.
I honestly don't how you do it. I try but get stuck a lot

Update: It has suddenly dawned on me that if any of the children were born out of wedlock they would have the family name of the mother which is often different to what is on the census records.
That would explain why we can't find the birth record of Susanne and again her older sister.

Also I have been trying to find one of those sites that list mothers names even as baptimal records to trace the children of Stephne Partingtion and Susanna to save my having to get more certs. Which site would you recommend

Hi Susanne,

It's possible that Susanna is te gaughter of Joseph Gillet and Sarah as they are together in 1871 when she was only a few months old.

As Joseph and Sarah's marriage wasn't until 1874 maybe one of them was married and the partner was still alive when Susanna was born.

The marriage reg I posted earlier should state if there wasan earlier marriage for either of them.

Christine

Stephen Partington married Susanna Doyle16/01/1897
Father of Susanna on cert is Joseph Doyle (deceased)
They had children
1. Annie May 1897 Chatterton, Lancashire
2. Joseph 1900, 234 Oldham RoadFailsworth, Prestwich, South East Lancashire
3. Constance 1902, Prestwich, Lancashire
4. Raymond 30/08/1907, Oldham, Manchester
5. Female 1908
6. Stephen 03/08/1909?
7. Margery Gillett 08/06/1913 (mother Partington nee Gillett on birth cert not Doyle)
8. John Gillett Doyle 27/11/1914, Prestwich, Manchester
no other children the family are aware of.

The whole family refers to the Gillett family only. Until I found the marriage cert the name Doyle was not known. It is presumed that the Joseph Doyle is because he was dead and the mother married a Doyle.

In all the census records including 1911 the birth of Susanna is referred to as Odd Rode, Congleton, Cheshire/ Mowcop, Staffordshire.

That is why I'm lost how can Susanna Gillett and a Susanna Doyle be born the same place in the same year with the same fathers first name.

It is so complicated - I have tried the BMD but nothing comes up. Must be doing something wrong

Looks as if Sarah Doyle married Joseph Gillet in 1874.

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)

<<<DOYLE Sarah Manchester 8d 685
<<<GILLETT Joseph Manchester 8d 685
HARGREAVES Emma Manchester 8d 685
Jones Edwin Manchester 8d 685

So Susanna must have been born a Doyle.

Christine

I'm very confused with this.

If she married as Doyle, why do you think her name was Gillet?

The birth of John in 1915 gives mmn as Doyle.


Births Mar 1915 (99%)

Partington John G Doyle Prestwich 8d 602


Is this also one of the children?

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Partington Rhona F Doyle W.Derby 8b 1199

Christine

Yes, not easy mistrans were they - my eyes are red this morning after finding them!

Not as far as we are aware she was not married twice aunty Olive the wife of an older brother Raymond has never mentioned it. All the children are from the same parents.
My cousin Pam and brother John knew their grandparents
Maybe though you never know. Margery Gillett Partington the daughter born 1914 has mothers name just as nee Gillett but John Gillett Partington born 1915 has mothers name as Doyle - his birth cert should arrive this week

In the 1911 census she is listed as married to Stephen Partington. She married as nee Doyle at an early age. The family only know her as Gillett that is why we are presuming her mother Sarah married twice and some of the children took on her name of Doyle.

Regarding Susanna's her birth - have looked up the place Odd Rode (Mow Cop), Cheshire/ Staffs boundary Congleton Cheshire district. I know the area
Anybody good at looking up parish records - I've tried

I have to go out now and will be back this evening please don't anybody think I'm not around and watching all the ideas. You are all great. I'm so grateful.

"
Susanna Gillett married Stephen Partington 16/01/1897 Wesleyan Church, Middleton Road,Oldham, Lancashire

However as some of the children from 1898 have a combination name Gillett Doyle the last born 1914 I can only presume that Sarah the wife of Joseph was married twice. Proving it is becoming difficult for this old lady"

Surely it was Susanna who was married twice as she married as Susanna Doyle.

Marriages Mar 1897 (>99%)

Doyle Susannah Oldham 8d 846
Partington Stephen Oldham 8d 846

Christine

Thank you everybody, yes it is the correct family.- sorry I wasn't on line but fell asleep. Will be back later tonight. I really need some help sorting this family out.

I tried the BMD and only came up with the Susanna Gillett in Ecclesall that's why I'm completely baffled. Could be Susannah and or Gillet. I don't know how to search with miss spelling names.

However as so many reference to Cheshire I just presmed it was somewhere in one of those parish records

The name misspelling is amazing I woudn't have spotted it.

Joesph the Father and William the grandfather

Susanna Gillett married Stephen Partington 16/01/1897 Wesleyan Church, Middleton Road,Oldham, Lancashire

However as some of the children from 1898 have a combination name Gillett Doyle the last born 1914 I can only presume that Sarah the wife of Joseph was married twice. Proving it is becoming difficult for this old lady

Can anybody help sort out the mystery.

Ah, mistranscribed in 1871:

Name: Sarah Gillott
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Denton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Odd Rode
Ecclesiastical parish: Odd Rode
County/Island: Cheshire





Registration district: Congleton
Sub registration district: Sandbach
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gillott 38
Sarah Gillott 30
Sarah A Gillott 2
Susan Gillott 4 (on the image this is 4 MONTHS)So you have a month of birth of say roughly Dec 1870?

Gawd, even worse mistrans in 1881: And wheres 17 year old Fred appeared from, born Surrey.(May be Joe was married before) The Platt girl is now a cousin rather than neice!

Name: Sarah Pollett
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Denton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Chadderton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Cemetery Lodge
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:



Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Chadderton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Pollett 46
Sarah Pollett 38
Fredrick Pollett 17
Sarah Ann Pollett 12
Sussannah Pollett 10
Mary E. Pollett 7
William Pollett 4
Annie Pollett 3
Elizabeth A. Platt 24
Thomas Oswald 19

Ive added corrections to ancestry re these.

1891

Name: Joseph Gillett
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Sarsden, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Chadderton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:




Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Chadderton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gillett 61
Sarah Gillett 46
Sarah A Gillett 22
Susanna Gillett 20
Mary E Gillett 17
William Gillett 14
Ann Gillett 13
Elizabeth A Platt 33

Have you looked on freebmd.org yourself?

Afraid this is the only one coming up north of watford May be she wasnt registered?

Births Mar 1870
GILLETT Susanna Ecclesall B. 9c 294

Is this Joe in 1851? With mum called Susanna? Have you found him in 1871?

Name: Joseph Gillett
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Susanna
Gender: Male
Where born: Sarsden, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Evenlode
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England



Registration district: Stow On The Wold
Sub registration district: Bourton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gillett 53
Susanna Gillett 54
Joseph Gillett 21
Mary Gillett 18
Robert Gillett 17
Mary Harris 4

Could anybody help find the birth of Susanna Gillett born
Congleton, Cheshire, England - born according to which sensus record you look at 1869/1870/1871

Father name Joseph Gillett born about 1830 in Sarsden, Oxfordshire, England. He died after 1878 presume Lancashire

Mother Sarah unknown born 1845 in Denton, Lancashire, England