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Need help tracing the birth place of my ancester Jacob Turner. Information I have gained from research is that he was born 1852 and was married to Mary Ann in 1878.
Census records for 1901 and 1881 after his marriage and showing his wife and children, show his place of birth to be Manchester. Census for 1891, showing the same wife and children, has his place of birth to be Beeley, Derbyshire. Before his marriage in 1878, census records for 1871 and 1861 show two Jacob Turners - one born in Manchester to Louisa and Jacob Turner, and one born in Beeley to Sarah and John Turner.
It seems that these two individuals have somehow merged into one after his marriage, who couldn't decide where he was born!
I have only been able to obtain a birth certificate for the Jacob Turner born in Manchester, mother Louisa and father Jacob. My own family information believes Jacob to have been born at Edensor near Chatsworth, Derbyshire, which would tie up with Beeley. Any suggestions?

His marriage certificate should give you his father's name.

Did he marry in Lincolnshire? There is this marriage in 1878:-

Name: Jacob Turner
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Horncastle
County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 657

Also on the page is a Mary Ann Lansdall.

Kath. x

Thanks Kath, yes that's the Jacob Turner I have. Looks like I need to order a marriage certificate next!
Found it odd that some census records have his birth place Manchester and others have it as Beeley?!?

n

1881 - this has a Beeley connection

David TURNER Head M Male 41 Cheshire, England Cotton Weaver
Martha TURNER Wife M Female 39 Cheshire, England Cotton Winder
Mary H. TURNER Daur U Female 12 Cheshire, England Cotton Weaver
Eunice TURNER Daur U Female 10 Cheshire, England
Lucy Ann TURNER Daur U Female 8 Cheshire, England
Ellen TURNER Daur U Female 5 Cheshire, England
James David TURNER Son U Male 1 Cheshire, England
Joseph BEELEY Lodger U Male 53 Cheshire, England Labourer In Cotton Mill


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Source Information:
Dwelling Queen Street
Census Place Hyde, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341830
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3467 / 42
Page Number 24

1881 - and this one is Beeley Street!!

Herbert TURNER M Male 26 Hyde, Cheshire, England Hatter Finisher
Anne TURNER M Female 28 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Housekeeper
James TURNER Male 2 Hyde, Cheshire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 19 Beeley St
Census Place Hyde, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341830
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3468 / 49
Page Number 36

1881

Joseph TURNER M Male 49 Gee Cross, Cheshire, England Joiner
Eliza TURNER M Female 50 Hyde, Cheshire, England
Samuel TURNER U Male 25 Hyde, Cheshire, England Joiner
John Henry TURNER U Male 22 Hyde, Cheshire, England Joiner
James TURNER U Male 15 Hyde, Cheshire, England Joiner
Charlotte TURNER U Female 13 Hyde, Cheshire, England Scholar
Jane TURNER U Female 11 Hyde, Cheshire, England Scholar
Eliza TURNER U Female 9 Hyde, Cheshire, England Scholar
Mary GODDARD U Female 16 Manchester, Lancashire, England Assistant (Genl Shop)


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Source Information:
Dwelling 78 & 76 Hyde Lane
Census Place Hyde, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341830
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3467 / 119
Page Number 24

and now that you have his marriage cert saying his father is john then with the fathers and his occupations being on it maybe ,then you know that you need to follow the family with john as the father of jacob?

Thanks Ann - sorry I'll try again........

Have since ordered marriage certificate which shows the father to be John Turner. Not sure what to do now as the only birth certificate available does not tie up with the Jacob I'm looking for. Any suggestions?

Here's the marriage on BVRI with fathers' names:

TURNER, Jacob Age: 25 Marriage
Wife: Mary Ann LANSDALL Age: 21
Marriage Date: 1 Jan 1878 Recorded in: Coningsby, Lincolnshire, England
Husband's Father: John TURNER
Wife's Father: Robert LANSDALL
Source: FHL Film 1541959 Dates: 1742 - 1887

it wasnt compulsory to register births in 1852/3 so maybe he wasnt registered or
he hasnt been transcribed yet

what was john turners occupation on the marriage cert?

Could this be him?
1871 census
Neather Buchile, Glassop, Derbyshire
John Turner, head, 37, labourer
Sarah, wife, 39
***Jacob, son, 18, labourer
John, son, 12
Ruth, dau, 10
Horace, son, 8
Arthur E., son, 6
Sarah A., dau, 2
All born Beeley except last one born Glassop.

Same family:
1861 census
Beeley, Derbyshire
John Turner, head, 27, labourer
Sarah, wife, 28
***Jacob, son, 8
Frances, dau, 6
John, son, 2
Ruth, dau, 5 months
All born Beeley.

It's unlikely that the two Jacobs have "merged". If you found both of them pre-marriage then they should both be around post-marriage (assuming neither had died in the meantime).

So 1881 and 1901 = Manchester
1891 = Beeley, Derbyshire.

Then you should be able to find the Manchester one in the 1891. He has to be there somewhere.

Jill

John Turner's occupation on the marriage cert was gamekeeper!

Hello again.

It appears that the Jacob I am looking for was born in Beeley (father John and mother Sarah) but no record of his birth is in existance.

I would appreciate your opinions as to why he might have recorded his birth place as Beeley in 1861, 1871 and 1891, and as Manchester in 1881, 1901 and 1911.

Elizabeth