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After a couple of abortive tries I am trying to find details of the marriage of Herbert Richard TURNER (b. abt 1864 in Woking Surrey).
I have him on the 1881 census as follows;

William TURNER Head M Male 54 Chertsey, Surrey, England Cattle Dealer
Eliza TURNER Wife M Female 51 Chertsey, Surrey, England
Herbert TURNER Son U Male 16 Chertsey, Surrey, England Cattle Dealer
Esther TURNER Dau U Female 12 Chertsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Albert TURNER Son M Male 27 Chertsey, Surrey, England Cattle Dealer
Emily TURNER Sons Wife M Female 25 Lyne Chertsey, Surrey, England
Albert TURNER Sons Son Male 3 Chertsey, Surrey, England
Florence TURNER Daur Female 2 Chertsey, Surrey, England
Infant TURNER Son Male 1 w Chertsey, Surrey, England

and I believe he married in Chertsey, Surrey around 1892 but my searches have led me up blind alleyways so far. Can anyone point me in the correct direction please?

As always all help gratefully received.

Ian

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)

CHANDLER Arthur Chertsey 2a 87
Clarke Ellen Chertsey 2a 87
LEVERMORE Ellen Martha Chertsey 2a 87
>>>>> Turner Herbert Richard Chertsey 2a 87

Just off to see if I can find him in the 1901 census

This looks like the family during the 1901 census, however this does state that Herbert was born in Bedfordshire?

Name: Herbert R Turner
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen M
Gender: Male
Where born: Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornton Heath St Paul
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image
Registration district: Croydon
Sub registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 71
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert R Turner 36 - Stone Mason
Ellen M Turner 29
Lucy M Turner 8
Elie J Turner 7
Mable R Turner 6
Herbert L Turner 4
Olive G Turner 2
Lennard Turner under 1 month
Rebickah Livermore 24 - this could be Ellens sister?

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 646; Folio: 74; Page: 15

Lynne

Could this be him?:-
1901
Name: Herbert Twiner
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chertsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Woking
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Horse Slaughterer

Registration district: Guildford
Sub registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Twiner 37
Elizabeth Twiner 35
Herbert Twiner 13
Alfred Twiner 11
Phillip Twiner 9
Frank Twiner 7
Arthur E Twiner 6
Frederick Twiner 4
Agnes M A Twiner 2

Checked original census and name does look like Turner.


same family in 1891:-
Name: Robert Turner (Name is Herbert and not Robert)
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Charley, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Woking
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: Church Street

Occupation: Cattle ?

Registration district: Guildford
Sub registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Turner 26
Elizabeth Turner 23 born: Woking, Surrey
Herbert Turner 4
Alfred Turner 6/12
Joseph Turner 42 Lodger - born: Newhall, Surrey

I've seen that 1901 census result before and I'm almost certain that isn't my Herbert R Turner. I'm 99% sure he was born in Woking, Surrey and was a cattle dealer.
Just realised this reply entirely unhelpful as many refer to 1901 census. I think he might be the horse slaughterer. I applied for the certificate 1892 Sept Chertsey 2a 87 and that is not him. I think his wife is an Elizabeth and was also born around Woking in Surrey (Bisley is very close, as is Chertsey and Lyne, both of which I have seen, but I'm still having difficulty finding the marriage info.
regards
Ian

Ian,
Why do think he was born in Woking, when on the 1881 census he is noted as being born in Chertsey?

There are a couple of possibilities for the birth records of the children, but only one for Agnes:-

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
Turner Agnes Mary A Guildford 2a 64

The cert. will give you mothers maiden name!

I know he was born in Woking because I have his original birth certificate, although Chertsey was a sub district of both Woking and Weybridge at different times during the 1800's and early 1900's.
The reason we feel the animal occupations identify the correct person is that in the 1920's and 30's they had a fleet of lorries with Cattle Dealer under the name.
Ian

In the 1891 census he is noted as Cattle (something) could very well be dealer, and in those days horses were considered to be cattle. I'd certainly put money on this being him.
Do you not know of any children he had that could confirm that the 1891 and 1901 census are him?

Someone on ancestry has this person married to the following person:-

Elizabeth Dear
Birth: 1866
Woking, Surrey, England
Death: 17 MAY 1919

Herbert Richard Turner
Birth: 1864
Woking, Surrey, England
Death: 11 MAY 1928

He's on the 1911 census but you'll have to pay to view:-
1911
HOUSEHOLD TURNER HERBERT RICHARD M 1865 46 Croydon Surrey

Peter

Sorry to reply so late. No I think your 1901 census identification is spot on, it fits everything we know about HR Turner. Only problem is that I still can't find a marriage record for him and Elizabeth.
If the 1881 census record in my question is correct and your 1901 census info is also correct I can only conclude that they never married or that the marriage record has been mistranscribed somewhere along the line.
regards
Ian

Catherine

Thanks for all your hard work. A distant family member has promised me the birth certificate for one of his children (Frances b. 1904) but keeps letting me down. The same person has told me she thinks HR Turner's wife was Elizabeth born in Chertsey and married there (or possibly Weybridge) around 1892. I thought we had found her once, but when I received the marriage cert. it was not him!! So close yet so far.

thanks again

Ian

There is a transcription problem with the 1892 marriage record that Lynne found. If you have a look it shows the following:-

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Turner Herbert Richard Chertsey 2a [8_]7
Turner Herbert Richard Chertsey 2a 87

If you click on the first entry to find a spouse it takes you to the following page:-

You may have reached this page because you have clicked on the Page Number in order to try to find possible spouses for an entry (as described here) but this facility was not available for the entry. The reason the facility is not available is that either or both of the Volume and Page were not readable when the index was transcribed.

Chertsey comes under the following Register Office:-
North Surrey
The Register Office, Rylston, 81 Oatlands Drive, Weybridge, KT13 9LN.
Tel: 01932 794700. Fax: 01932 794701.
E-mail: [email protected]

If I were you I would contact them to see if they could help solve the mystery.

Checked all the Elizabeths who married in 1892 in Chertsey in Sep quarter, and found the following:-

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
GAYLARD Elizabeth Chertsey 2a 95
Gaylard Elizabeth Chertsey 2a ___
Hale Elizabeth Chertsey 2a 60
Lunn Elizabeth Chertsey 2a 69

as you can see there is an error for Elizabeth Gaylard also. I checked the original document and found that she has been hand written onto the bottom of the page so there is a chance that it was written incorrectly or that her name was missed off the page 2a 87 and was just added onto page 2a 95.

I think that it is worth following this one up unless of course you have one of the children's birth certificates and know what her maiden should be?