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Dee - this is all absolutely fantastic. Thank you so very much for your help. You know, I've come across all of this information in one way or another myself (ancestry.co.uk) etc., but just couldn't put it all together. I think I wasn't really collating the necessary information in the right way to make it simple!

I think I really have to go with the possibility that William Jorden lodged with Ann Elizabeth (aunt), that his uncle's name, John, was used on marriage certificate and that Emma - later married Bines and had further children. This really is the most plausible.

Seriously - cannot thank you enough for this.

Lynne,

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Dee x

the info wot denise gave u ,could be rite as there is no birth reg for a william jordan for the year or area.

1901 England Census
about Arthur W Jordan
Name: Arthur W Jordan
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Danbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Stanford Le Hope
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Orsett
Sub-registration district: Orsett
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur W Jordan 35
Mary Jordan 33
Herbert A Jordan 14
William Hy Jordan 11
Mary E Jordan 10
Emily E Jordan 5
Fred S Jordan 2
Sarah J Jordan 3 months
William Smith 58
this the rite one were to follow????????????/

This is a strong possible, Arthur puts "W" in the 1891 and 1901 census....... maybe he used William so not to confuse things???


1871 England Census
about William Jorden
Name: William Jorden
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Danbury, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Danbury
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Great Baddow
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Medd 46
Ann Elizabeth Medd 39 >>>>>>>>> Born Danbury, Essex
Arthur Medd 12
Emma Medd 11
Albert Edward Medd 9
Herbert Medd 7
Sarah Medd 5
Eliza Jane Mead 3
James Robert Mead 1
William Jorden 5


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Jordan Elizabeth Ann Chelmsford 4a 199
Mead Robert Chelmsford 4a [1_]99



Ann Elizabeth is most likely to be Ann from the 1841 census, parents George and Sarah......... Emma's sister.



Dee x

Emma seems to have had another child;

1881 England Census
about Emily Jordan
Name: Emily Jordan
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Danbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Canewdon
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Cottage
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Rochford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bines 41
Emma Bines 44
Thomas N. Bines 20
Edward J. Bines 17
Albert Ths. Bines 4
Emily Jordan NO age stated
Eliza Webb 39


Their marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
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Bines Thomas Rochford 4a 279
Gordan Emma Rochford 4a 279

Stilll carrying on with my theory at the mo;

1891 England Census
about Walter Jorden
Name: Walter Jorden
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Danbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Canewdon
Ecclesiastical parish: Canewdon
Town: Canewdon
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Rochford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bines 51
Emma Bines 54 Born Danbury Essex
Arthur Bines 21
Albert T Bines 14
Fanny E Bines 8
Walter Jorden 30

Hi,

This maybe a red herring;

1861 England Census
about Emma Jordon
Name: Emma Jordon
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Danbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Woodham Walter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Bell 34
Gertrude Messer 28
Harriet Biggs 24
Emma Jordon 24
Emma Hicks 22
Josiah John Sack 18
William Cracknell 15


1841 England Census
about Emma Jordcon
Name: Emma Jordcon
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Danbury
Hundred: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Great Baddow
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Jordcan 30
Sarah Jordcon 35
James Jordcon 10
Ann Jordcon 9
John Jordcon 7 <<<<<<<<<<<<< brother
Emma Jordcon 4
Hannah Jordcon 2


1881 England Census
about John Jordon
Name: John Jordon
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Danbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Springfield
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Springfd Lyons Yd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coachman Domestic Servant

Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Great Baddow
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jordon 46
Mary Jordon 47




I'm wondering if John Jordan was is uncle and he stated him as his father???



Dee x

Hi Lynne,


I would hazard a guess that Emma Jordan later married John ???????, when Arthur was married he stated his father was John (step father) and added his surname as Jordan, this may have saved any uncomfortable questions regarding his father???


Or maybe Emma didn't marry a John and Arthur just stated John as his father to save face?????






Dee x

I'm guessing his year of birth was 1865 not 1985?

the arthur wot was with emma/john married a beatrice.

Hi Lynne,


What was Johns occupation on Arthurs marriage certificate and who were the witnesses???


Dee x

Hi - My great-grandfather was Arthur William Jordan, his birth certificate, which I have, states mother name of Emma Jordan - no father listed (Danbury, Essex, 3 May 1985). His marriage certificate gives a father name of JOHN Jordan. I cannot find Arthur William Jordan in the 1871 census when he would have been around 6 or 1881 census. After that, he appears with my great-grandmother and new family.

I have found a John and Emma with a son Arthur Jordan in 1871 in GREAT SHEFFORD, Cambridgeshire - really not sure this is the same one though. Why would father name not be on birth certificate if he was alive and suddenly appear a few years later?

Anyone have any ideas on this or where I can find further information. Have hit a stumbling block.