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I have an Edward/Edwin Driver who married Caroline Withington in Gorton, Manchester (where later generations lived) on 16 Jan 1876 age 20 (fathers name Daniel Driver) both labourers and residence at time of marriage Gorton. However, on 1881 census where born is given as Wales and on 1891 census where born is given as Wales, Buckinghamshire! Finally 1901 census gives where born as South Wales. Does anyone have a knowledge of Wales to help identify the area, or can anyone identify his birth please which would be approx. 1856 in either Wales or Manchester?

Could this be his birth.........only one that I could find for South Wales?

Births Sep 1854
Driver Edward Merthyr T 11a 337

Have you found him in 1871 and 1861 with his parents? That might be a more accurate record. It's possible that he wasn't too sure where he was born, especially if the family moved when he was young.

Jill

Moody Blue, that looks a possibility, though i have no idea if Merthyr Tydfil counts as South Wales, but its worth a try.

Merthy Tydfil is Glamorgan South Wales.

MERTHYR TYDFIL REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Glamorganshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Aberdare; Gelligaer; Lower Merthyr Tydfil; Merthyr Tydfil; Upper Merthyr Tydfil.

I think that this is his brother who states that he too was born in Wales>


1881 England Census
about George Driver
Name: George Driver
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Wales

Civil parish: Glossop Dale
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: 24 Woolly Bridge
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Farm Laborer

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Glossop
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Driver 28
Mary A. Driver 33
Daniel Driver 6
Edward Driver 3
William Driver
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3460; Folio: 76; Page: 10; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341828.


This is the family, I believe, in 1861


1861 England Census
about Edwin Driver
Name: Edwin Driver
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Herwin, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Decuman
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Williton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Driver 38 Chalcott, Wiltshire, England / labourer
Harriett Driver 32 Mysterton, Somerset, England
>>>>>>>George Driver 9
>>>>>>>>Edwin Driver 6
Maslid Driver 4 Crewkerne, Somerset, England s/b Amelia
Henery Driver 1 St Decumans, Somerset, England
Mary Driver 1 St Decumans, Somerset, England
Joseph Hutchings 38
Joseph Hutchings 13
John Rowe 40
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1603; Folio: 55; Page: 17; GSU roll: 542838.

On this census George is reportedly born HERWIN BUCKINGHAMSHIRE England and Edwin is born HERWIN CORNWALL England BUT IT Should read CARMARTHANSHIRE HERWIN. just the same they appear to be a bit confused as to just where they were born!

Just as there is a birth for Edward in Merthyr Tydfil so there is one for a George:-

Births Jun 1852
Driver George Merthyr T. 11a 314

Births Sep 1857
Driver Amelia Chard 5c 478

CHARD REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Somerset.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Chard; Combe St. Nicholas; Crewkerne; Ilminster.

Mrs Grumpy, i have followed your advice and now im even more confused! There is an Edwin Driver living with father Daniel Driver born 1855 and place of birth given as Herwin, Cornwall but now living in St. Decuman Somerset. Have been given a lead on a birth in Merthyr Tydfil as well which looks worth following up.

Moody Blue, if they were confused at the time about where they were born, what chance have us genealogists got some 150 years later of working it all out? That looks like them though so will order a birth cert. and take it from there. Thanks for all your late night help.

Herwin, Aberdare, Glamorganshire


google maps
Did you mean:
Hirwaun, Aberdare, Mid Glamorgan, UK

probably spelled as the census enumerator heard it.


Aberdare is in the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil

Thanks moody blue. I'm going to order the Merthyr Tydfil b/cert as it looks quite promising. Have had no luck in finding a marriage entry for parents Daniel and Harriett though so maybe b/cert. gives me another clue.

1911 Census Household Transcript

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
DRIVER, EDWIN HEAD MARRIED M 56 BOILER FIREMAN GLAMORGAN WALES
DRIVER, CAROLINE WIFE MARRIED 36 F 56 LANCASHIRE GORTON
DRIVER, EDWIN SON SINGLE M 20 MANCHINEMAN ENGINEERING APPRENTICE LANCASHIRE GORTON
DRIVER, HERBERT SON M 14 MANCHINEMAN ENGINEERING APPRENTICE LANCASHIRE GORTON

DRIVER EDWIN (RG14PN23796 RG78PN1378C RD464 SD2 ED95 SN212)
Address 51 NEWTON ST GORTON County Lancashire
District Chorlton Subdistrict Ardwick
Enumeration District 95 Parish South Manchester

maybe Daniels death?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Daniel Driver
Name: Daniel Driver
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 194


looks as if Harriet remarried ?

Marriages Sep 1863
Driver Harriet Ashton 8d 727
Povey Job Ashton 8d 727


1901 England Census
about Harriet Povey
Name: Harriet Povey
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Crookhorn, Cheshire, England ?

Civil parish: Hollingworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hollingworth St Mary and Tintwistle Christchurch
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub-registration district: Mottram
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet Povey 74 widow living on own means
Mary Driver 40 daughter born Watchet Somerset
Elizabeth Driver 38 daughter born Crookhorn Cheshire
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3803; Folio: 120; Page: 20.

Deaths Dec 1896
Povey Job 73 Ashton 8d 410

Moody Blue, thanks for further info on Daniel's death and Harriett's remarriage. I wonder if i can impose a little further and ask if YOU have been able to locate Daniel and Harriett's marriage. I cant find it and you seem to have better luck and knowledge about the whole maze of finding records than i do! Thanks

Hi Linda,

I have looked for the marriage but am unable to find it......maybe they just didn't legalise it? When you get the birth certificate back it may shed some light on the mystery.

Brenda

Hi Brenda, thanks for looking for the m/cert for me. Disappointed that you couldnt find it either, but reassured im not going mad (or blind)!.